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Is One Nation the site of Australia's Alt-Right? : Comments

By Rob Cover, published 24/10/2018

Many commentators have labelled this evidence of an increased return to an ultra-conservative entrenchment of racism and white superiority in Australia.

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At this stage there are far too few of them the spend time writing such a long article about One Nation.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 8:41:57 AM
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Here we go again, a dog whistler trying to associate 'conservatism' pejoratively with his cause to maintain the rage with a convenient scapegoat. Hanson is but another populist perverting 'populism' as a legitimate aggregation of their views.
Posted by conserv8ive, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 9:37:27 AM
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Very well reasoned and articulated! And absolutely spot on.

The people that this pernicious propaganda appeals to!? Must have a combined IQ Just a tad south of the average ambient temperature, surely?

Not for nothing is it writ large, you can fool some of the people all of the time! Only 30% off voters understand politics. Another 30% understand economics. Even so, all elections are ultimately by the remaining 40% who understand neither! Go figure?

If I were very naughty and were to photoshop and place a military cap on the Senator's head then a toothbrush stache on her upper lip?
Then colour those piercing pale blue eyes brown?
Who would she starkly remind you of? Jahwol?

No names no pack drill.

Even so, the very suggestion should have one or two of them trembling in veritable rage and shaking their cages in unrequited outrage? And without a single word or condemnation spoken! Alt-right? Well if the cap fits?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 24 October 2018 12:10:04 PM
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The author is certainly a confused fellow. He says” these kinds of insulting articulations are not what can be covered by claims to free speech.”
Does this mean that only the insults of the politically correct miscreants are covered by freedom of speech?
Is pride in “aboriginality” acceptable? I have seen no complaints about it, reprehensible as it is.
Why is not pride in, or approval of, europeanality, or whiteness, at least as acceptabl? It certainly has more to commend it.

Rob Cover’s uneducated state indicates something deficient in the educational institutions he attended.
He also attracted approval from the perpetually wrong and confused Allan B.
Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 3:33:38 PM
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LL. Is just labelling the best you can do?

No logical or reasoned and persuasive contrary Argument?

I, therefore, stand by my assertion of the average IQ.

Is tha is not only the best you can do bu your entire argument?

You couldn't even spell my name correctly with just one L! Kinda supports my argument? Doesn't it?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 24 October 2018 6:57:58 PM
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So how much of the popular vote does ON get ? 10 % ? About as much as the Greens' ? [Wow, now I've pissed off 20 % of the population].

As a believer in universality, in equality and equal rights, I'm concerned about claims on both sides, usually dog-whistled, that one group or another is better or worse than others: as far as I'm concerned, it's OK to be Indigenous, to be white, to be a left-handed person of great age, to be African, to be Polynesian, to be Chinese or Indian or Peruvian or Lithuanian [hello, dear Foxy], to be any bloody thing. Nobody is entitled to more rights than any others.

I'm not all that much in favour of affirmative action for any 'member' of any group, given that those measures often seem to back-fire and end up disadvantaging the people they're meant to assist. Maybe it's the residual Marxist in me but completely equal rights, opportunities and obligations seem to me to be the best option for everybody.

My special obsession is Indigenous rights, opportunities and obligations: currently, about the equivalent of half of, say, a 20-year-old Indigenous age-group commences university study each year. Around sixty thousand (out of an adult population of about 400,000) are university graduates. That's a bit better than the three thousand of thirty years ago. Numbers of graduates double every decade or so now, and that rate may accelerate, much to the consternation of Indigenous elites in their efforts to control the entire Indigenous population.

I really can't seen any better goal than to fight for complete equality for everybody, no more and no less. So any whinge from Hanson and ON is little more than a diversion from that goal. Likewise from the pseudo-left. You feel aggrieved that somebody else may be doing okay ? Suck it up.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 7:35:10 PM
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Your promotion prospects increase DRAMATICALLY by ticking the Indigenous box for Government jobs. Also look how far that white women got in the swamp by pretending to be Cherokee. Oh how blind.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 7:46:14 PM
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Hanson is simply a convenient focal point for all extremist right wing groups and that's how she markets herself.

The Alt-Right is defined as "a loosely connected and somewhat ill-defined grouping of white supremacists/white nationalists, neo-Nazis, neo-fascists, neo-Confederates, Holocaust deniers, and other far-right fringe hate groups".

Many such groups and the generally disaffected attach themselves to her because she has a political presence and gives them defacto legitimacy. They use her in the same way she uses them.

At her heart she's simply a racist and populist. Her ex-husband described how she specifically hated aborigines (who she described as one-time cannibals and a criminal class) and her mother was also an advocate of The Yellow Peril, just waiting to swamp us all.

It's the same old story - the wealthy privileged white woman living in a white society claims to be under some sort of threat and that's the language of the alt-right.
Posted by rache, Thursday, 25 October 2018 8:21:05 AM
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rache.

Another rant with no meaningful facts. Obviously you have no idea of Australian history.

Pauline Hanson is not alt-right as you paint the picture. She is actually old Australian culture. You have no recognition of traditional Australian culture.
There was actually a time in history before the arrival of Charlie Perkins. Surprising to a lot of people!

You may wish to expunge this past, but you really need to educate yourself before putting your mouth into gear, and making a big fool of yourself with what is becoming your classic shows of ignorance on all subjects.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 25 October 2018 8:42:59 AM
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Hi Runner,

You assert: "Your promotion prospects increase DRAMATICALLY by ticking the Indigenous box for Government jobs. "

Only if you're in with the elites, if you're part of the mutual back-scratching. If you're indigenous and out of favour, you're pretty much stuffed.

After all, affirmative action 'for' Indigenous people effectively cuts them out of much of the 97 % of jobs which aren't 'theirs'. So if someone is also cut out of the 3 % reserved and especially-created jobs, then their chances of getting decent employment approach zero. For the reason, I would oppose quotas and reservations, since the unspoken agreement is that you won't have access to the rest.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 25 October 2018 9:29:31 AM
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Hi Joe,
You assert: "After all, affirmative action 'for' Indigenous people effectively cuts them out of much of the 97 % of jobs which aren't 'theirs'"

How do you imagine that occurs?

It sounds as if you think affirmative action has degenerated into a system of quotas. But although it may have done so in America, I find it hard to believe tat the same would happen in Australia, especially with a lack of media reporting on it.

Is your post based on any evidence? Or is it just stereotypes?

________________________

runner, these same questions also apply to you.
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 25 October 2018 10:22:15 AM
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//After all, affirmative action 'for' Indigenous people effectively cuts them out of much of the 97 % of jobs which aren't 'theirs'.//

Hang on, what? I don't think that most employers are as racist as you seem to be implying they are. I can't think of any jobs that I've applied for where they enquired about my ethnicity. As long as people can do the job, that's all most employers will care about. And I'm hard-pressed to think of many jobs where a non-Indigenous ethnicity is a necessary job requirement. I mean, even a very traditional cultural occupation like sumo wrestling allows non-Japanese participants. So there couldn't be many jobs where simply being Indigenous is a barrier to employment.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 25 October 2018 10:51:25 AM
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diver dan,

I never said Hanson was Alt-Right, just that those groups gravitate toward her because they share some common values. Where else can they go?

As for facts, my statements about Hanson's personal beliefs are on the public record, as is her history.

What sort of "old Australian culture" are you referring to anyway?
Those good old days of white picket fences, the six o'clock swill and poofter-bashing when men were men and women and blacks knew their place?

I remember those days and not the sanitised pie-in-the-sky myth.

Sorry, those days are gone and will never be back.

So what part of the Alt-Right do you support?
Posted by rache, Thursday, 25 October 2018 11:38:24 AM
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Is One Nation the site of Australia's Alt-Right?

What a pile of academic excrement !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 25 October 2018 6:53:28 PM
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rache

Ive taken the ABC compass poll in the past, and by that judgment I was deemed pretty much centre. But that poll was some years ago.

Quite simply, on questions of culture I would feature right leaning. On environmental issues, and issues of a fair-go, I judge myself left leaning.

The mixture of left and right motives, could easily be seen as inconsistent. But only inconsistent if you are looking for the oversimple explanation of a political stand based on the actions of a small moment in time.

For example, I would be overjoyed to assist in the dismantling of shark nets on our beaches as an environmental protest. If that meant working together with environmental political groups, good. You could judge that group as politically left, but I don't. In my mind that possibility would not be questioned.

Whereas over on the right page, I'm outraged at the National Party for orchestrating a witch hunt for a handful of young activists who put in some hard yards training in a boxing gym, who the Nationals judge as right wing extremists because of their love of “biff”, and allegedly waving of nazi flags at a political rally. I don't consider Nationalists as a problem.
Keeping in mind of course, it is not illegal to raise the Nazi flag in Israel itself. Why has it become such a problem to a certain element in Australia?

I think left and right is a confusion of ideas too loose to hold down.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 25 October 2018 8:52:08 PM
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"Mimicking "okay to be…" phrases that are designed to reduce individual and community feelings of exclusion and shame (e.g., "okay to be gay"), the recycling of this kind of affirmative language by the Alt-Right is both an attempt to put forward a false claim to white male vulnerability and exclusion and, in a different way, to parody and belittle the legitimate claims of minorities."

When you wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, do you realise you're looking at the face of a raving mentalcase?

Where do you get these twisted convoluted conspiracy ideas from?
I genuinely think you've got a few screws loose I'm sorry to say.

If Blacks say 'Black Lives Matter' why's it inappropriate to say 'White Lives Matter"?
Can you explain that you retard?
We can't even say "All Lives Matter" without being labelled racist.

So Pauline says 'It's ok to be white'; pretty much the EXACT EQUAL of 'Black Lives Matters' and you freaks have to find something wrong with it; of course.

It's real simple, not complicated,
When you lot go nuts over things that are EQUAL it displays your hypocrisy and complete detachment from reality.

You actually advertise to the world your poor leaps of logic as well as the reality of your poor state of mental health.

You people are hell bent on selling your own victimhood.
That whites MUST BOW to some alleged white privilege, that we must acknowledge white guilt and allow racism against us, because somehow all you victimhood salepeople who are actually completely mentally retarded, think you're normal.

I may identify an alt-right.
I may support many things Milo says (and he would make you look like an idiot in a heartbeat Rob)
I take offense to the things you assume to think you know about me.

Milo's not my 'poster-boy'.
Only a homosexual would think that way.
It seems to me this is more about your issues with people you don't like.

You clearly do not understand the alt-right, you just twist yourself up trying to, and fail miserably.
It's kind of amusing.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 25 October 2018 9:51:40 PM
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AC, I'm not sure where I stand in your estimation, but I come cap in hand to give praise for your comments on Milo.
I also have an ear for Ben Shapiro, don't know if you've heard of him.
I am, amongst other things, a self confessed enigma, in that I have a healthy dislike for queers and jews, and yet these two are a couple of my hero's.
Just to add to this topic, while I am here.
I have for many years had a heathy dislike of abo's, mainly because of the financial abuse and theft they have engaged in.
You speak of equality, well I am sorry but the evidence is now historic for every and any one to see.
I know the govt set up the scam in the guise of the 'sorry' BS, only to use it as a means of stealing money from treasury.
Along the way it's been a feeding frenzy for both politicians and abo's.
Further more I will not sanction this BS about the THOUSANDS of abo's going to uni.
If you research it all these abo's came out of the woodwork when the benefits started flowing.
The real majority of these so called abo's is way less than is recorded.
Even an abo elder once said in a radio interview, for 'these wannabees to stop saying their abo's', because he knew they were after the money hand outs.
I have said it ad nauseam,that unless BOTH your parents are pure blood abo's, your just another Aussie, with some abo blood, so piss off and stop lying and conning the rest of us, I say to them.
Observers might say I hate abo's.
No, like anyone else black, white, green, whatever, if you are dishonest and a thief, a liar, put simply, a bad person, I will crap on you as much as I think you deserve.
Abo's have made their bed long ago, we have been the victims and according to them, the reason for ALL their problems, BS.
We know the fault lies with them but everyones so gutless.
Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 26 October 2018 12:03:32 AM
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So, we have what looks to be a homosexual academic socialist with a publically funded, "make work" non job in a university, complaining about the fact that the white population cash cows he despises, are waking up to the fact that their civilization is being trashed, their communities fractured by multiculturalism, their treasury looted, and their country becoming more and more unsafe?

"Dr" (of what, music?) Rob Cover is obviously is big fan of multiculturalism and diversity, to the point of actually complaining that white "Anglo-Saxon" laws exist and that the English language remains as the lingua franca in this country. Exactly what sort of country Rob Cover dreams about, where no culture defines the laws and where entire segments of the population can not even speak each other's language, is a complete mystery.

Perhaps he dreams of a society where Pam and Jill, the lesbian couple will live in a house happily, next door to Mohammad and his four child brides? What's it like living down in the garden with the fairies, Rob? Good thing you are a publically funded academic, because given your tenuous grip on reality, I don't know what productive work you could do outside of academia.

Reality check to Rob Cover. Multiculturalism does not exist anywhere. Every nation on Earth has a central defining culture, usually based upon it's traditional religion, to which other cultures who live within it's territory are expected to assimilate. Where minority cultures do not assimilate, and where minority populations are growing, either through immigration or birth rate differentials, the result is ALWAYS civil war. That is the lesson of history that nobody wants to teach anymore.

Human beings are tribal and territorial. Australia is breaking up into suburban ethnic enclaves, because it is a cultural universal that people prefer to live among their own kind. I am sure that Rob sees nothing wrong with ethnic enclaves, provided that they are not white ethnic enclaves. Every culture on Earth must be protected and be allowed to expand, except white European culture, which just happens to be the best culture.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 26 October 2018 5:07:43 AM
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The problems described by half-baked, half-wit academics are nothing more than half-wit stirred-up crap by these taxpayer funded inadequates who believe in their own idiocy by denouncing common sense & decency. As they, sanctioned by moronic bureaucrats, occupy educational institutions everywhere their idealistic dribble is saturating the curiculum & the result is now causing massive division in society everywhere.
This phenomenon is akin to Islamisation. Those with common sense have an uphill battle from now on to fight stupidity on two fronts.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 28 October 2018 7:45:25 AM
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Another pinhead deliberately conflating conservative with right wing.

Conservatives opt for smaller government and laissez-faire attitude to business and government. One nation's social policies more closely resemble Labor and the greens than the liberals.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 10:49:35 AM
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can't ever see myself voting for One Nation though this vomit from the swamp would push people that way. Rob reinforces the fact that you don't need to be to bright to get a job at UWA or any other Marxist pushing centre. If One Nation is alt right then what is the western civilsation hating Greens? No wonder the dumbing down of our country is going mainstream.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 11:12:24 AM
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One Nation should be given the opportunity to do what the Democrats said they'd do but failed so miserably at.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 6:02:32 PM
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