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It’s official: democracy has failed so why not try logicracy? : Comments

By Mark Manolopoulos, published 24/8/2018

The latest wrangle over the Prime-Ministership once again proves that democracy is failing – indeed, that it’s a failure. It needs to be replaced with a better political system, and logicracy - the rule of reason - appears to be a better one.

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"Logic" is a false idol.
Only half our brain is logical.
A logical society is only half-intelligent, and therefore effectively unintelligent.

"'the people' are often uneducated, undereducated, or miseducated"

Then (a) don't compel them by law to enrol/vote, (b) limit all political activity to people with IQ of 100+ and (c) replace representative democracy with direct democracy.

"that the ruler of society should be Reason rather than megalomaniacal individuals and elites"

No, the ruler would still be people, fallible humans, not an ideal abstraction.

Logic alone could produce highly immoral and unethical outcomes.
We need heart and soul as "checks and balances" and we need our whole brain, not half of it.
Posted by Shockadelic, Friday, 24 August 2018 12:10:33 PM
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Carrying on from yesterday, today potential for further instability in the Australian Government remains high.

1. Centrist Treasurer Scott Morrison has now been voted Leader of the Liberal Party meaning he is the Prime Minister designate. His job will be confirmed today.

But Morrison only barely beat Peter Dutton (45 to 40) in the replace-Turnbull leadership vote today. Dutton leads the conservative faction that lobbied to unseat Prime Minister Turnbull but Dutton hasn't won Turnbull's job.

This means it is likely a frustrated Dutton will destabilise new Prime Minister Morrison until Dutton gets his job in a leadership vote in the next few weeks or months. If Morrison or Dutton appoint Tony Abbott as the new Defence Minister this may conceivably cause the Japanese Soryu submarine to be the preferred Australian future submarine type.

2. Meanwhile if Turnbull resigns his seat of Wentworth in the House of Reps this month the Liberal-National Coalition may not win a subsequent By Election in Wentworth. The Coalition Government therefore may not retain its 1 seat (76 vs 75) majority in the House of Reps. This means a General Election may need to be called to occur by October 2018.

see more here http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2018/08/scott-morrison-may-only-be-temporary.html
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 24 August 2018 4:12:46 PM
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God could you imagine it.

As if a parliament full of lawyers & economists is not bad enough, this bloke wants totally impractical academics running things.

A quick look at the mess they have made of education should be enough to guarantee that won't happen, but then we did elect K Rudd & Turnbull.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 24 August 2018 5:24:51 PM
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Morrison is a sensible pick for the stability of the LNP, Turnbull gone is the next. Two wins. A bonus is his personal stability and practicing Christian ethic.

Dutton is a destabilising influence with too many unknowns. One near future challenge would inevitably end in the high court for determination. There is no patience or tolerance for this possibility in a disgruntled electorate. Maybe later.
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 24 August 2018 6:52:48 PM
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I gave you a pass last year, but I will not be doing so this year.

Here's why:

"Perhaps, then, what might be required is that the logicratic movement use the democratic process in order to undo it in order to replace it."

You crossed over into terrorist mentality.
'Ends justify the means'.

Did you ever consider that the reason democracy is failing is because people like yourself have already been busy weaponising its flaws in order to bring in their own New World order agenda already?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 24 August 2018 7:41:41 PM
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Well said,
Armchair Critic.

It seems to me, and perhaps I’m wrong, that it was the highly divisive energy vote
that split the government and caused the leadership spill. Some politicians see providing reliable cheap energy as a duty of the leaders of the country, and the others see it as the duty of the political leaders to shut down as much reliable energy as possible in the shortest time possible in the interests of anti pollution.

The public at large is as vehemently divided on this as the parliament.
Strange how the politicians remain quiet about this conflict over energy policy causing this leadership crisis. Probably the reason for the political silence is they are dammed to lose a huge block of votes on whichever side they take on the issue, and they won’t risk that. But in private the issue had enough disagreement amongst them to cause a challenge for rhe leadership.
Or was it just really nothing more than the Liberals wanting another leader to win next election with seeing as Turnbull was not garnering more votes. Perhaps they used the issue as an excuse.
Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 24 August 2018 10:09:54 PM
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