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Marriage, divorce and the Bible : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 10/8/2018

I can remember, in my first Parish, standing before the congregation as a divorced man having married a divorced woman to preach.

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The bible was written by men and reflected the cultural norms of their time and ethnicity.

Had any of it been inspired by God? Or If you will, eternal unconditional love, your first sermon would have sounded very different! ABSOLUTELY!

No two people who have essentially fallen out of lust? Should be compelled to share the marital bed or conjugal relations!

And all too common when infatuation is interpreted by the emotionally immature as love.

I believe a God of Love would have foreseen this very dilemma and allowed in his or her infinite wisdom for it.

Time to stop treating God-given instinct as some sort of sin. And remember, the word sin comes to us from ancient English and was an archery term that simply/only ever meant, to miss the mark.

And like all sin, just an opportunity to learn and progress.

So, put the (regretted) past where it belongs, empty your heart of all hate and remorse and simply move on as a wiser more compassionate human for the experience and inherent lessons it taught!

No need for any self-flagellation! Always providing you own your own behaviour, accept responsibility and consequences!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 10 August 2018 11:38:23 AM
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I still think the Bible was an early manual which has been misinterpreted for two thousand years to suit the corrupt & kinky.
Posted by individual, Friday, 10 August 2018 2:10:00 PM
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immoral living always leads to 'liberal' theology. Instead of repentance for failure and sin, liberals condone the sinful activity.
Posted by runner, Friday, 10 August 2018 2:40:23 PM
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The Answer regarding romance, its inevitable decline, then the pain that is marriage?

TRY BEFORE YOU BUY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPCWZG5FYzM

Got it?
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 10 August 2018 5:04:41 PM
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As always, runner speaks as if he were God? And with that absolute authority! Based only on massively edited and continuously revised words written eons ago by who? And on what authority?

Today, folks who claim to hear God speaking to them are either medicated or institutionalized, runner and perhaps with your absolute certainty on all things moral! Always providing they only ever pertain to other folk and never ever a perfect sinless runner!

It must be extreme comfort runner to know you are always right sinless and perfect! And therefore able to speak with the absolute moral authority of Almighty God!

Next thing, you'll be walking on water, perhaps after you've turned it into (abracadabra) wine?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 11 August 2018 11:16:12 AM
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I see Alan the topic is marriage , divorce and the bible and only the unbelievers are allowed to comment. Ever thought of joining Antifa? Those thugs also would only allow their own putried dogmas' aired.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 11 August 2018 7:33:51 PM
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This may be presented as a parody but it's based on (inconvenient) fact -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

Biblical divorce is only allowed in the case of adultery or if one partner abandons their Christian belief. Remarriage is also not permitted unless one partner has died and therefore no chance of reconciliation exists.
Posted by rache, Sunday, 12 August 2018 1:24:43 AM
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Actually, runner, I do believe in God, a creator and the immutable fact that energy can neither be created nor destroyed!

Therefore had to always exist in some form before the creation of the known universe. And that the known universe, in essence, is composed of energy.

Albeit mutated or altered to become atoms, which are positive, negative and neutral energy held together in covalent bonds to form the very atoms that compose all physical matter.

And that a whirlwind whipping through a junkyard has greater odds of creating a fully functional flyable 747! Than life to have created itself through serendipity or chance.

And wherever one sees design and purpose, there needs must be a designer.

Having said that I don't believe in you or that you, in particular, are in any way, as a perceived, brainwashed unthinking devotee of some nut job cult? Can ever speak for God (eternal unconditional love personified) or know what is his or her interpretation of sin.

Which to reiterate, JUST FOR YOU, is an ancient English archery term. Which merely means to miss the mark! THAT IS ALL!

And, not your atypical stoning offence.

As always with runner, he can only see the alleged fault in others even in the face of factual evidence that absolutely proves him and his ilk absolutely wrong!

And continues to hurl abuse at God-given creation, because of some medieval manmade perception of difference! And the only real evidential evil in any of these debates!?

Even so and contrary to his false witness allegations, nobody here has prevented him or her from commenting on the manmade institution of church-based marriage!

He/she clearly doesn't cope well with deserved criticism or being held to account for his or her own witless and broken record, thoughtless parroted commentary!
Without bias, Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 12 August 2018 11:10:14 AM
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Dear Peter,

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So, Arius, whose common sense dictated that “the Son was subordinate to the Father (the Holy Ghost who inseminated Mary)”, was wrong and Athanasius, who ingeniously squared the circle by an extraordinary feat of his exceptionally fertile imagination : that the Son, God and the Holy Ghost were all one and the same, was right.

So, Arius was a conservative and Athanasius an innovator.

So, Judaism and Islam (more conservative and less imaginative) are wrong, and Christianity is right.

So, Christian civilization … does not constantly look back on revelation … but forwards to a changing future.

So, like “the evils of slavery … our understanding of marriage has also undergone a change”.

So, “Part of … the decline of the Church is because of the disastrous association of Christianity with morality”.

So, “ … the application of stray moral commands or guides by Matthew on marriage, or Paul on the male headship of the family, or the silence of women in worship, may be … regarded as being injurious to radical freedom in Christ”.

So, that’s it, Peter :

« … standing before the congregation as a divorced man having married a divorced woman to preach on Matthew 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery", is simply “the application of stray moral commands or guides by Matthew on marriage »
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So, to sum-up, the moral of the story is :

What appear to be mistakes are simply progress. We can devote ourselves, heart and soul, to one religion (The Uniting Church) and forsake it for another (the Anglican Church). We can swear to God to love and cherish someone “until death do us part” and forsake her for another. We can believe in God “cross my heart and hope to die” and …

As you say :

« Change … cannot always be understood as liberalism, the conformity to the politics of the day, but a genuine progress in our understanding of … God »

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Monday, 13 August 2018 1:43:59 AM
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Christianity itself is full of contradictions. It maintains it is a monotheistic faith and has a God made of three distinct entities. One of the entities is God born of a virgin as many of the pagan gods were. Horus, Osiris, Mithras, Dionysus, Krishna, and others all fit this description. The virgin birth seems to have been a device to make a modification of Judaism acceptable. This was done by translating the Hebrew word, almah, in Isaiah meaning young woman in to the Greek, parthenos, meaning virgin.

The idea of a chosen people contained in the Jewish Bible is apparently common to all tribal people. The word for themselves such as Inuit in the case of the people formerly called Eskimos means ‘the people’. Others outside of the tribe are less than members of the tribe. With the appearance of Jesus Christians are the new chosen people. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any deity, multiple or single.

A divorced man serving a ministerial function in a church whose scripture bans divorce seems trivial in the face of all these other contradictions. Christianity challenges reason and common sense. In this age can’t we rid ourselves of that and other superstitions?
Posted by david f, Monday, 13 August 2018 9:37:13 AM
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Dear David,

Shri Krishna was not born of a virgin - he was born in jail as the eighth son of Vasudeva and Devaki who were imprisoned together.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 13 August 2018 10:12:53 AM
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The usual quote is "Whom God has joined together, let no man put asunder"

I see this as meaning, let no outsider break a marriage union, and that continuing it or busting up is the concern of the two most involved; with society having an input on the welfare of those concerned, especially children.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 13 August 2018 6:10:15 PM
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Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Nobody can break up families like Jesus.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 12:26:01 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

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You wrote :

« The usual quote is "Whom God has joined together, let no man put asunder"

I see this as meaning, let no outsider break a marriage union, and that continuing it or busting up is the concern of the two most involved; with society having an input on the welfare of those concerned, especially children »
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That’s one way of looking at it, Is Mise. I tend to feel that “man”, in this sentence, means “mankind”, the married couple, themselves, being included in the injunction. In other words, nobody is to “put asunder whom God has joined together” – not even themselves.

Here are a few other interpretations :

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Mark-10-9/
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Might I add that I, personally, see nothing wrong with divorce, provided it is carried out in a civil, courteous and responsible manner. I consider that marriage is a voluntary contract, a personal engagement, which each of the contracting parties is free to cancel at any time.

To be perfectly clear, my position on this is not dictated by any religious belief or affiliation of any sort whatsoever. It is my own, personal opinion.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 12:48:38 AM
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