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Renewables statistics realities : Comments

By Geoff Carmody, published 11/7/2018

These average capacity multipliers will also multiply total costs of ensuring reliable power even as $/MWh renewables generation costs fall.

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Hasbeen do you or any of the Climate denial Right have evidence to say its not, that has not been effectively debunked by people who are not beholding to the Fossil fuel company's
Also Koch Bros many arms and subsidiary's, Trump & his crooked gang of liars & thieves, Abbott & the even nutter OZ right plus the IPA, none of whome can lay straight in bed
Posted by John Ryan, Thursday, 12 July 2018 9:04:30 AM
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John Ryan - Do you have any proof that has not been submitted by a scientist that will not be granted potentially million of dollars in grants.

Do you have an explanation to why the scam started out as "Global warming" but when that failed was changed to the extremely broad one "Climate change" which could encompass almost anything?

Also where is the proof what is happening is not like the ice age a one in a million year event?

Quote "Trump & his crooked gang of liars & thieves, Abbott & the even nutter OZ right"
Can you provide your evidence to prove any of that statement?
Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 12 July 2018 10:49:28 AM
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Christ what planet are you on Phil, Abbott is an A grade nut were you alive when he went and said no changes to anything then proceeded to wreck the place
As for Trump,when this investigation comes to it inevitable conclusion Trump should along with his cohorts be jailed, he is a criminal who heads a criminal gang sometimes called the Republican party
There are some dumb people around but some on here are just stupid, stay watching the hand puppets on Sky after dark they inhabit the same planet you do
Posted by John Ryan, Thursday, 12 July 2018 1:59:36 PM
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John Ryan has not learn't that it does not matter how many times you quote regressive lies it does not make it true. China and India must be laughing at the Rudd Turbull ideology
Posted by runner, Thursday, 12 July 2018 2:49:38 PM
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Philip S.,
The Daily Mail has a reputation for inaccuracy, and this is no exception. The idea that "Electricity users who don't have solar panels are paying $538 a year to subsidise Australians who are benefiting from green schemes" is so ludicrous that it's surprising anyone believed it.

If you read the report - which is at http://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Retail%20Electricity%20Pricing%20Inquiry—Final%20Report%20June%202018.pdf - you will see what it actually says is:
"Solar customers are paying, on average, $538 per year less than non-solar customers, suggesting that affordability concerns are most acute for those customers who have not (and possibly cannot) install solar PV."

A small part of that is due to subsidies. A much bigger part is due to the electricity the solar panels are generating. Another factor that's probably far bigger than the subsidies is that many of those who've installed solar PV are more environmentally conscious than the general population, so waste less electricity.

The report recommends shifting the burden of subsidies to state governments rather than electricity users. But IMO there's much more that should be done at the Federal level. Rather than paying for the solar panels up front (which is prohibitively expensive for some people) consumers should have a federally financed option of spreading the payment over their next decade's electricity bills at a rate of 1% per month.
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It is not "global warming" that's the scam - it's the claim that it isn't happening, or that it's a coincidence that warming is occurring and atmospheric CO2 concentration has risen by nearly a third from preindustrial levels.

And the terms "global warming" and "climate change" were used with similar frequency by climate scientists, but the former caught the media's attention more. Then the Neocons (who care more about their profits than the future of the planet) persuaded people to call it "climate change" because they though it sounded less threatening than "global warming".
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 12 July 2018 3:22:36 PM
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Sth Aus wind right now 251 Mwatts, Demand 1621 Mwatts !
Watts to argue about ! And it is peak demand time !
The multiplier that is being discussed depends on the size of the area
over which the wind generators are spread.
Sth Australia is far too small. Australia would be OK I think although
no substantial modeling has been done.
There is for such schemes a fundamental requirement. The renewable
generators over the whole country must be connected on the one very
high capacity grid.
I notice that Geoff has not specified the area over which his
multiplied system is spread. The cost over the cost of the multiplied
generation would be unaffordable.

Batteries are not sources of power but are consumers of power.
Why do you thing they have cooling fans ?
A study in the UK showed that they would need 14,000 batteries the
size of Sth Aus's battery. And the UK has nuclear backup !

John Ryan is off with the fairies.
It is totally irrelevant whether AGW is real or not.
I just do not care anyway as fossil fuels will be unaffordable before
any effects are noticed.
There is one factor which gets ignored;
Temperature rises before CO2 rises !
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 12 July 2018 4:46:55 PM
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