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Truth the first casualty in the War Against Coal : Comments

By Graham Young, published 10/7/2018

Advocacy is core business for think tanks, but when does advocacy become propaganda? When the think tank is the grandly named Australia Institute, is one answer.

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Green advocacy for virtually anything, is, in my opinion, a concoction of mistruth, half-truth and great big bald-faced falsehoods?

If they were real conservationists or environmentalists, they would just stop presenting a completely false argument against nuclear power. No, not just any nuclear power, but MSR thorium.

MSR thorium is CARBON FREE reliable dispatchable power. And because the reactors can be mass produced and shipped anywhere in shipping containers a ready sembled.

Able to be sited where the power is needed, minus transmission and distribution lines that in total, can claim up to 75% of the generated power as a combined transmission and distribution loss.

And here we are talking about, non-pressurised, walk away safe power and if properly conceived and constructed as cooperative enterprises, able to deliver peak load dispatchable power from virtually anywhere.

Given the only water, requirement is in the neutron absorbing, non-pressurised water jacket outside the reactor proper!

AS FOR COAL? Its real long-term future is as alternative portable fuel. And mostly as extracted methane gas. And able to run super silent ceramic cells at the home, and without the distribution losses inherent in steam-age technology.

The folks running things here have never ever run a business and probably wouldn't know what a bunsen burner was? Explains why their thinking is still reminiscent of the horse and cart and the overland telegraph era.

Which is why hundreds are condemned every year by curable cancer and premature death, and power prices that are forcing all industry to relocate!

Plus, the unnecessary deaths of many of our most vulnerable citizens!

Their power prices from their model?

24Cents + per KwH!?

Mine? 2 cents or less!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 4:37:57 PM
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Hooray for the Australia Institute.
How much REAL power does the Australia Institute have?
Most probably zero.

What a pathetic straw-man argument, quite typical of the stuff that the Australian Spectator specializes in.

The Australia Institute has very much in common with most/all of the various individuals and organizations listed on this website: http://www.dabase.org/GCF.htm

All of which in one way or another understand that business-as-usual, or even turbo-charged, as advocated by all of the right-wing think tanks is not possible on a finite planet.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 6:16:20 PM
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//Hooray for the Australia Institute.
How much REAL power does the Australia Institute have?//

About as much as the Austrlian Institute for Progress, I suspect. Thank the good lord for small mercies, that these partisan hacks not be allowed to get their grubby paws on the levers.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 8:25:56 PM
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if the desire is to decarb the planet, without driving everyone to the wall, then the only answer is nuclear.

AS for coal, there's a pragmatic place for it as the source of all our import replacement diesel and jet fuel. And will continue until they electrify planes. (Don't forget to plug it in and make sure he cord is long enough)

As for vehicular traffic, most will happily run on CNG/methane
Also, some applications like stationary engines could be replaced by solid state, ceramic fuel cells. for the 80% energy coefficient that would give!

With that as fuel for virtually all conventional combustion engines, the CO2 they make would be reduced by 40%.

Now that doesn't make coal a casualty! But a first-rate interim weapon in the war against climate change!

It's not either coal or nuclear but both and as far forward as the next thirty years. All we need are the blinkers removed and the earplugs pulled from recalcitrant ears!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 11:46:10 PM
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Coal is not "all that good either": but then again, neither is going cold and hungry over the cost of the alternatives, forced onto the population of suckers by uncaring Governments....
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 6:52:44 AM
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Hey Graham,

I think much of your story traces back here.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/dennis-shanahan/green-campaign-against-australian-coal-trail-leads-to-john-podesta/news-story/42784b8b30e0ab18d7386054189a0933
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 1:33:23 PM
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Coal and other fossil fuels create some very high costs, not immediately apparent:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/07/11/california-will-have-a-terrible-choice-save-cliff-side-homes-or-public-beaches-from-rising-seas/?utm_term=.07348b895d27

Take a look at the photo of house on cliff being undermined.

Or:

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/6/28/17475342/antarctica-ice-melt-thaw-climate-change-sea-level

Provides graphics which give good diagrams explaining just how much melting is happening.

Or:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/07/06/africa-may-have-witnessed-its-all-time-hottest-temperature-thursday-124-degrees-in-algeria/?utm_term=.ebf3b74dbf8e

Many countries hit by extreme hot conditions just lately, not great as 50% chance of an el nino later in year. Temperatures after an el nino tend to go up a notch.

In roughly same period Japan was hit by a Typhoon killing over 150 with a few score people missing. With higher temperature more water vapour is created and often falls as a rain bomb.

Fossil fuel emissions cause death and respiratory problems.

During the Pliocene period greenhouse gases were about the same as they are currently, conditions were not conducive to life as we know it.

https://climatenewsnetwork.net/past-warming-shows-2c-brink-may-be-close/?utm_source=Climate+News+Network&utm_campaign=076e6c1925-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_07_10_09_51&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1198ea8936-076e6c1925-38767669

So, if just taking into account the tip of the ice berg in relation to costs/benefits of coal or Queensland registrations it depends on how it is interpreted, but, when viewing the mass of the iceberg, coal is horrendously expensive in lives lost and hidden financial costs incurred.
Posted by ant, Saturday, 14 July 2018 8:35:56 AM
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