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Trump, Middle East and conservative Christians : Comments

By Keith Suter, published 25/5/2018

Trump is, for them, a flawed warrior of Christ. He has immense moral imperfections but he can still also be a vehicle for God's plans.

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A few things to correct from the article.

One is that the only reason suggested for Christians to support Israel and Jerusalem is for end time prophesy. That's just not true. Among other reasons are that God chose Israel as His people and gave them certian blessings and promises with that. One of those blessings was that God would bless those who blessed Israel, and curse those who would curse Israel. A second reason could be by Christian heritage being from Jewish roots, and therefore hold support Israeli people on that account. A third reason fould just be the simple idea that Jewish descents are still God's chosen people and to support Israel for no other needed reason then to support God's chosen people.

I'm sure there are other reasons from political and world politics perspectives to support Israel. For now though, just figured pointing out the obvious of why Christians might actually support Israel instead of it being about God's plans with prophesy and end times stuff.

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 26 May 2018 7:43:58 PM
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The second thing to correct is the reasons to support Trump are shown to be shallow one or two points on having a Christian base of supporters. The divisiveness of the US around Trump still exists as it did when he was first elected. The reasons to support Trump haven't gone away just because they were never acknowledged or they were ignored. And His actions to work on fulfilling his promises is a step of fresh air in my opinion. Most politicians it seems, try to say they support one thing or another but make no real moves to act on that support outside of lip service saying they are for this or against that. On this aspect alone those that supported Trump earlier have stronger support for him, and some that didn't support him in the beginning are turning to like him because his actions are in the people's favor.

Of the reasons to not support Trump those reasons are still there too, but they seem much weaker now that he seems to act on policies to fulfill the promises he gave earlier. Not weak enough to ignore completely, so his presidency is still a divided issue in the US.

Just thought some light shed on the topic would be useful for both the author of the article and the comments that followed as well.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 26 May 2018 7:44:51 PM
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God's chosen people is based on a legend or fantasy of the great exodus. And the thundering evocations of Moses. And believed chapter and verse by alleged Christians everywhere, even as archaeological digs are turning up compelling evidence of a very different story.
One which sees no exodus but rather, a local revolt by Jewish slaves against Jewish masters. And given this is the most probable o literal case. complete exposes the evocations of Moses as a complete fabrication by him or those who followed of putting words in his mouth?
As modern day Christian do and have done, pertaining to the words and teaching of the Rabbi Jesus. Rabbi being Hebrew for the teacher.
So, if the exodus was a fabrication so also was the climb up Mount Sinia by the alleged leader of an alleged exodus along with the alleged 14 commandments (yes 14) carved in stone by the physical hand of God! And for a population who were 99.9% illiterate sheepherders and or artisans!
If this is where the fabrication and fantasy starts or begins in Judao-Christianity? Where does it end? With sword-wielding Popes a the head of murdering hordes trying to impose a completely fabricated fantasy on equally ignorant illiterate populations because they can't be wrong!?
And by definition, a cult in every sense of the word. With an invented belief system that has no foundation in fact or the mighty irrefutable truth! Run with that runner!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 27 May 2018 10:45:58 AM
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@ runner

What did your missionary reckon about ABC News 27 May 2018 reporting http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-27/ireland-what-happens-next-after-abortion-vote/9804806

"With Ireland voting overwhelming to repeal the ban on abortion, the question now turns to what will happen next?

...Despite predictions of a close-run result on the divisive issue, the yes vote managed 66.4 per cent of the vote compared to 33.6 per cent voting no a majority of 706,349...more than 2-1 in favour.

...[Irish] Health minister Simon Harris, also a yes backer, said he hoped to introduce the legislation in [September-October 2018]

...The proposed legislation that will be introduced by the Government will allow abortions within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy..."

Many of the following countries (like East Timor/Timor Leste) even ban abortion in cases where a woman or young girl suffers rape and incest http://www.pewresearch.org/interactives/global-abortion/
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 27 May 2018 3:17:41 PM
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Ant,
There are evangelical Christians who indeed believe dinosaurs were on the ark, were domesticated, vegetarian and were even battled by gladiators in the arena.

To believe that the fully-formed universe popped into existence in an instant means that all the plants and animals suddenly appeared in all stages of life (and death) and that light from distant celestial objects was created in place already billions of miles across space. Furthermore, plant life survived despite being completely underwater for at least 40 days and somehow penguins and kangaroos managed to find their way to the south pole and Australia all the way from Mt Ararat yet left no evidence whatsoever.

You can't argue with people who think like that because it requires they possess an ability for rational and independent thought.

As for the evangelical support of Israel, their real motive is that the returned Jesus will destroy the Jews for them anyway but are happy to use them to bring on their wished-for apocalypse.
Posted by rache, Monday, 28 May 2018 12:00:59 AM
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To Alan B.

God's chosen people is within the bible. Whether you like it or not, Christians believe in the bible. So it should be no suprise when Christians support their Jewish communities, or support Israel. What should be a suprise (in my opinion), is when Jewish people are not welcomed and supported by Christians. This occurs in history several times, and in my opinion is due to Christianity drawing away from God and the bible and instead gets more influence frin politic or theology based on outside sources then the bible. (It's ok to learn from outside sources, but not for those sources to influence theology and religous understanding).

To Rache.

Out of curiosity. How many evangelical Christians do you know, that your slander would count as anything but the truth? If the answe is that you know no Christians that told you this "truth" then it isn't true. Simple as that.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Monday, 28 May 2018 3:48:30 AM
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