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Nuclear necessity : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 24/4/2018

The problem with any discussion on nuclear power is that it is fraught with misinformation promoted by hysterical nuclearphobes.

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Luciferase,
Talk to your grandchildren about renewable energy.
They are totally convinced that it is the ONLY way to go.
The very suggestion of coal or nuclear and they look at you in horror.
The schools have completely brainwashed them.
They are the next tranche of voters.

The left has total control of the schools and it starts in primary.
What did some Jesuit say;
"Give me a child at 7 and we will have him for life !"

Perhaps when their computer goes off line in the middle of a game
they may be very annoyed, but they will blame you for not installing more solar cells.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 11:37:04 AM
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hey, on the culture shifting about nukes, check this.

https://www.facebook.com/environmentalprogress/videos/2070436009889420
Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 12:18:21 PM
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There are problems with each individual house having their own solar and expecting it to supply all their electricity needs. Now that winter is approaching, days are shorter and there is more cloud and in consequence the amount of power generated in Southern Australia is only about one tenth of what you get in the summer. You may think that installing more batteries is going to help, but there will not be enough power left over after you have catered for all your household needs to also heat your house and charge the batteries, even if you quadruple the number of panels that you need during the summer.

Even if every dwelling installs solar, this scenario will apply to the whole system, so the shortfall in the winter will have to be made up by base load stations running at night during the cooler months and also during many days as well.

It will be more cost effective for individuals to get their extra power from the grid, rather than install more panels and batteries. As well as that, the grid needs to have fifty percent of the power coming from base load generators in order to maintain voltage and frequency stability.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 10:32:32 PM
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Hi David,

And if we all switch over to electric cars, either the fairies will all have to pedal much harder to generate the extra electricity, or other means will have to be found to massively increase the total amount of electricity generation. Of course, it's important to reduce the amount of CO2 produced by vehicles, but the clean alternative has to be feasible. And possibly nuclear energy - look Ma, no CO2 ! - can take up that slack.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 10:51:31 PM
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My solar panels output in winter at 4pm was SIX Watts !
9AM 200 w, 12-30 1Kw, 2PM 400 w, 4PM 200 w Summer figures.
Most people do not have enough roof space to be off grid.
You need to fill your backyard as well (if you have one)
The real interesting wind figures are from AEMO 860 Mwatts now for Sth Aus.
So a reasonable breeze but still a long way below peak o/p 1400 Mw.
Watch it every day and most days it is between about 100 Mwatt and
600Mwatt. However a lot of time is spent between 0, yes zero and 80Mw.
I tried to find the graphs or spreadsheets but could not.
I doubt that their average wind output could be more than 30% of
nameplate rating.

Windfarms are real Duds, a total waste of money.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 11:34:42 PM
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The case is strong for EV's even with coal power in both in cost and emissions. Nuclear is the key to electrifying urban transport cleanly while producing synthetic fuels for shipping and long-range road-transport, as well as desalination and nitrogen based fertilizer production, etc, etc. It's such a no-brainer yet Finkel can't even utter its name. What a complete dead loss of a Chief-Scientist he is.
Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 11:37:59 PM
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