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Tomorrow's grim, global, green dictatorship : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 9/3/2018

The key slogan of the Green religion is

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We do not need further reminders of your ignorance and dishonesty, flea, like yourstatement” Dr Carter only provided op eds; and didn't publish his views about climate change in Journals; then, from a science point of view he would not be taken seriously. All you have done in relation to quoting Dr Carter is provided a non evidence based opinion”.
I have posted extracts of Dr. Carters’. Either you did not read them, or as is usual for a fraud promoter, like yourself,you are lying about an honest scientist.
Carter was a well published and internationally renowned climate scientist:” a personal publication list of more than 100 papers in international science journals. His research on climate change, sea-level change and stratigraphy was based on field studies of Cenozoic sediments (last 65 million years) from the Southwest Pacific region, especially the Great Barrier Reef and New Zealand.
Dr. Carter acted as an expert witness on climate change before the U.S. Senate Committee of Environment & Public Works, the Australian and New Zealand parliamentary Select Committees into emissions trading, and in a meeting in parliament house, Stockholm, Sweden. He was also a primary science witness in the Hayes Windfarm Environment Court case in New Zealand, and in the U.K. High Court case of Dimmock v. H.M.’s Secretary of State for Education, the 2007 judgment which identified nine major scientific errors in Mr. Al Gore’s film An Inconvenient Truth.
Dr. Carter’s research was supported by grants from competitive public research agencies, especially the Australian Research Council (ARC). He received no research funding from special interest organization
https://www.heartland.org/about-us/who-we-are/robert-m-carter-1942-2016
Much of what I have posted about fraud promoting scientists, has been copies of commentary, or extracts from their own words, which show their guilt. I have never, as the flea routinely does, posted any untruths.
I respond to assertions with science and fact. The flea, mulishly, avoids response to reasonable requests suchas any science to show a measurable human effect on climate.
Posted by Leo Lane, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 1:29:04 PM
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You have indicated, flea, that you prefer to be told by scientists about fraud promoting scientists. You say :” (to)abuse scientists through suggesting they are associated with fraud is very low.”Accurate description of the conduct of fraud promoters is not, as you deceptively and untruthfully term it, “abuse”, but honest observation, something outside the ability of a dishonest fraud backer like yourself.
Here are the words of an honest, high-minded scientist:
“The whole idea of anthropogenic global warming is completely unfounded. There appears to have been money gained by Michael Mann, Al Gore and UN IPCC‟s Rajendra Pachauri as a consequence of this deception, so it's fraud.‖ -- South African astrophysicist Hilton Ratcliffe, a member of the Astronomical Society of Southern Africa (ASSA) and the Astronomical Society of the Pacific and a Fellow of the British Institute of Physics.
https://www.pmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/unfccc-public-submissions/1000%20scientists%20dissent%20copy.pdf
What does a low minded dishonest fraud backer like yourself, think of that accurate description? Are you low enough to refer to it as “abuse”?
Posted by Leo Lane, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 11:13:41 PM
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Leo

The comments I made were in relation to the references you provided from Dr Carter and his comments about the IPCC.

Points Dr Carter had an opinion on:

It hasn't warmed since 1998:

Wrong. Even 2017 was warmer than 1998; 2017 was not an el nino year as was 1998. Years before 2017 were also warmer than 1998.

There is no correlation between CO2 and temperature:

Already experimentation carried out by Eunice Foote was presented at a Symposium in 1856.
I have witnessed experimentation using radiated warmth, CO2, and a control a number of times.
There is no doubt that CO2 picks up warmth.
Without CO2 and greenhouse gases the Earth would be so cold we would not be able to survive. The moon does not have an atmosphere and temperature differences are huge, we would not last a moment without space suits. The moon is roughly the same distance from the sun as Earth.

Satellites provide accurate temperature:

Satellites provide inferred temperature; they do not use thermometers, data needs to be calculated (modelled).

Anyway, temperatures can be inferred from whats happening on Earth's surface; for example, permafrost thawing. Temperature needs to remain warmer than usual for some time for permafrost to thaw.

Heartlands was involved in denying the impact of tobacco on health; Heartlands is not a credible Agency. Heartlands has been financed by fossil fuel companies to create doubt in relation to anthropogenic climate change. Dr Carter has also been associated with another neo conservative Agency the IPA.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Bob_Carter

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/cif-green/2010/nov/30/climate-change-sceptic-bob-carter

Sub Heading:
"Like many deniers of man-made global warming, Prof Carter's views may say more about his politics than scientific evidence"

http://theconversation.com/bob-carters-climate-counter-consensus-is-an-alternate-reality-1553

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3854782.htm

http://www.skepticalscience.com/bob-carters-financial-post-gish-gallop-scientific-denial.html
Posted by ant, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 6:56:22 AM
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Back again, flea, to remind us that you have no science, so follow the standard fraud promoting procedure about science you cannot refute. You tell lies about Professor Robert Carter, whose science has demolished the failed science of the IPCC.
Lying about a successful, honest scientist is the best the fraud promoters, like yourself, can do.
You cannot sink any lower, can you, flea?
Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 11:54:04 AM
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Leo

What rubbish about Dr Carter having demolished climate science.

Morano is associated with Science Denier Groups, he is not a climate scientist.
In relation to reference provided, he tries to debunk earlier IPCC Reports; old news, there has been a subsequent IPCC Report published.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/16/eight-pseudo-scientific-climate-claims-debunked-by-real-scientists/

Information provided by climate scientists.

http://polluterwatch.org/category/freetagging/marc-morano

You really are desperate to reference Morano and Heartlands.

Science does not operate on the basis of an honest and hard working approach; it relies on data.
Being involved with IPA or Heartlands suggests that ideology is a strong determinant in how people form their opinions.
Posted by ant, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 1:25:26 PM
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The flea says: here has been a subsequent IPCC Report published.”
Where is the link to it, flea? Or is it like the non- existent science that supports the climate fraud your lies assert?
You say:“Morano is associated with Science Denier Groups, he is not a climate scientist.
What science are they denying to enable use of this invalid and dishonest term?
I have continually requested from you a reference to science which shows any measurable human effect on climate.
In your ill-bred, mulish manner, you fail to acknowledge the question, much less answer it.
You use baseless, fraud promoter’s terminology,like denier, which you are aware is baseless, and dishonest, as one would expect from a dishonest fraud supporter
You linked us to a nonsense article by Connor Gibson. Is he a climate scientist, flea? Or just another liar you have dredged up?
Apparently the latter, because here is an extract from the dunce’s article.
Lie 1
“a contingent of a dying breed of science deniers attending the COP with the simple intention of interference.
Lie 2 “ I know what it's like to look into the eyes of someone who is paid to misrepresent truth with confidence, and attack my natural hesitation to call out his dishonestly.”
Lie3 “ His intention was to make me question myself, and thus appear uncertain and discredited to anyone reviewing our conversation. The actual content of our conversation matters much less than the aesthetic”.
What the dunce means is that he made a fool of himself by repeating a fraud promoting lie, but it doesn’t count because Morano made him do it
There are plenty more lies, but do not waste you time looking for any science or truth, as that never appears in any reference from the flea,
“Connor joined Greenpeace Investigations in 2010 after completing an environmental studies degree at the University of Vermont. He is based in Oakland, CA.”
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/bios/connor-gibson/
This clarifies why Connor never tells the truth, and was located by the flea in his endless dredging the net for climate liars.
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 29 March 2018 1:23:31 AM
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