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Is imperialism a new passion for the left? : Comments

By Russell Grenning, published 16/2/2018

UK Green Party spokesperson Carline Lucas called it an 'absolute scandal' that Britain was not willing to enforce LGBT ideals on another nation.

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The Left is certainly hypocritical; no surprises there. But, good on the Bermudan government for reversing SSM!
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 16 February 2018 8:22:41 AM
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Hi Ttbn,

No, no surprises: the pseudo-Left, esp. the Greens, suck up to Shari'a-supporters when it suits them, to hell with the feminists - after all, Islamist terrorists are anti-American, therefore sort of good.

The 'Left' opposes any economic or social development in remote Indigenous communities, i.e. they object to the barest movement towards Indigenous people joining the proletariat and thereby participating in the imminent Revolution.

They oppose irrigation for farmers, indeed they probably oppose cultivating the soil for good measure.

They oppose free discussion at universities, hitherto the hotbeds of free speech.

After all, in true imperialist and paternalist style, they assume they know best for everybody else, and since they have no idea how their soy-lite and kale-smoothie lifestyles are maintained by the labour and ingenuity of others, they assume there is no such thing needed.

I wonder what new idiocy they might come up with in the near future ? Wouldn't be dead for quids !

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 16 February 2018 8:47:17 AM
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Joe,

Yep. saw an interesting comment in the media this morning about Closing the Gap. The report suggested that it might be a good idea to treat people living in remote communities as 'people', not a project. The Left is certainly into projects rather than people.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 16 February 2018 8:53:51 AM
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Ttbn,

Yes, even on that subject, the 'Left' would rather save 'culture' than people: Indigenous people don't matter much to the 'Left'. Hence I've noticed that they sort of purse their lips when I rabbit on about Indigenous successes in higher education: you can see them thinking, 'Hmmmm, there's something wrong with that: won't they lose their culture ?' and move away.

I think Marx (or Engels ?) wrote somewhere about the difficulties for many societies to liberate themselves from the dead hand of culture. Yeah, it might have been in Marx's essays on India. He seemed to have no qualms about what he thought were the revolutionary effects of capitalism on places like India. The 'Left' would clearly have found itself on the other side of that dispute, supporting reaction, patriarchy, gross inequality, slavery, suttee, superstition - all in the name of 'culture'.

Could it be that the 'Left' have become reactionary ? But how could that be ?!

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 16 February 2018 9:17:13 AM
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How many more years will it take for the right to realise that there's a large diversity of opinion within the left?
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 16 February 2018 10:26:45 AM
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Bermuda is a sovereign nation and independant? And typical of the dictatorial autocratic greens to try and force their will on other folk and even it would seem, other nations?

And if the popular vote decided they were not ready yet for SSM, the rest of the democratic world has to respect that even as the gay community, their friends and relatives plan all their holidays elsewhere!

And that could see the tourist business drop off by as much as 60-70% And in turn make cruising to the caribbean past tense? And even affect the local version of the Mardi Gras, removing one of the premier reasons anyone would want to go there?

They are an independent nation with the own culture and customs. And maybe need to learn, discrimination doesn't pay, but penalizes?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 16 February 2018 10:50:57 AM
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I'd just like to point out that Bermuda is not in the Caribbean. I know - I used to live there.
Posted by Louisa, Friday, 16 February 2018 2:14:39 PM
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Good on Bermuda.

Incidentally Alan, Bermuda doesn't have much to do with the Caribbean. If you don't believe me, go paddle your canoe the 2100 kilometres to Jamaica.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 16 February 2018 2:15:24 PM
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The left have no virtues, they'll lie cheat and steal or whatever underhanded behavior is necessary to achieve their aims.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 16 February 2018 2:51:37 PM
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By the same token why don't LGBTIQAs abolish heterosexuals in Australia's small subject island of Tasmania?

Just like the Tassie Tiger.

Mardi Gras-ites Should, By Jove MUST, recall LGBTIQA includes the new faith: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex, Queer/Questioning and Allied.

I assume "Allied" means those brave blokes who stormed the French D-Day beaches in 1944. The Longest Day, etc.

Behold! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2yNQuYL_qk
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 16 February 2018 4:02:57 PM
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Meanwhile why not do a search on the topic conservative christians and homosexuality in Africa.
And speaking of conservative christians, christian missionaries have always been, and still are agents of Western imperialism.

Reaching the "un-churched" with the "good news" has oft times been their principal motive. But it was also principally about access to and control of plunder and resources.
Never mind too, that they always were, and still, are agents of the Wetiko Disease (or mind virus) as described in the book by Jack Forbes titled Columbus and Other Cannibals.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 16 February 2018 5:25:27 PM
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Meanwhile is this the same Russell Grenning that was jailed for the possession of copious amounts of child pornography?
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 16 February 2018 5:28:22 PM
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'How many more years will it take for the right to realise that there's a large diversity of opinion within the left?'

marxist have only one sick narrative. They do not support free speach or diversity of views. Just look at the bigots on the abc and you will get the drift.
Posted by runner, Friday, 16 February 2018 6:05:32 PM
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The article stated "the largest of these is Bermuda in the Caribbean". Didn't know it wan't! Big deal! Never been there. So what? Stand by what I've said, as pertaining to the issue/topic.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 16 February 2018 6:40:18 PM
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Meanwhile speaking of lies there is now a pathological liar living in the White House. A pathological liar who hasn't a christian bone in his body, and who most probably has never ever demonstrated any of the traditional virtues. Indeed he specializes in dramatizing the traditional seven deadly sins.
And yet many "conservative" christians pretend that he is more than wonderful.
Why not do a search on the topic Donald Trump as pathological liar.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 16 February 2018 6:44:21 PM
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runner,
"'marxist have only one sick narrative."
False, but moot because most on the left are not marxists.

"They do not support free speach or diversity of views. Just look at the bigots on the abc and you will get the drift."
There's quite a big diversity of views on the ABC, and IMO they're less bigoted than commercial media.
Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:12:40 AM
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Daffy "Reaching the "un-churched" with the "good news" has oft times been their principal motive. But it was also principally about access to and control of plunder and resources"

I guess you would be a fan of Michener's quote from Hawaii. "The missionaries came here to do good, & they have done very very well".

Can't agree with you about the White Hose resident. Compared to the resident in the Lodge here, or it's likely next resident, he is a paragon of virtue.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:18:18 AM
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//Meanwhile is this the same Russell Grenning that was jailed for the possession of copious amounts of child pornography?//

It certainly appears that way...

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/former-liberal-advisor-jailed-for-12-months-for-child-porn/news-story/cda26717d73f898778ce32344d47b2af?sv=7cbd535ed881f413e95f16fd032e7301

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Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 17 February 2018 6:25:50 AM
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Who cares where Bermuda is, and how the hell did Donald Trump get in on the act. A lot of pish about anything but the subject, as usual.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 17 February 2018 9:32:44 AM
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There's diversity of views on the left!

Most illogical, irrational or unsound?

Most obvious was an extreme left wing green pollie, stating we could finance anything, including massive wages growth by simply printing money! Quote, unquote.

That said, one can use the printing presses to finance certain projects/infrastructure. Which must have intrinsic, inherent, appreciating value.

Like a dual lane inland shipping canal regularly dotted with power stations, desal plants. That would also function as extremely reliable sources of permanent water.

We'll say for purpose of exercise, the build cost was in vicinity of 50 billion. Much of which would be quite onerous cost of fuel!

However, if we could deploy thorium as our fuel, those costs more than halved.

Shipping would pay quite handsomely for sizeable shortcuts/fuel savings, relatively safe passage along with rapid turnaround. Given deionization dialysis desalination was incorporated and the sheer volume of endless potable water that'd create and in our dry arid heartland.

The potential economic advantages we'd gain would be enormous and forever.

You see, we'd virtually print money to create an appreciating income earning asset then use the value inherent in the finished project/asset to cancel the debt in the ledger.

It's bookkeeping, but only able to be used to create income earning assets and keeps them out of foreign, tax avoiding, price gouging, profit repatriating hands!

Even so, some privatisation might be desirable if only to keep the British disease from contaminating our most valuable assets and here I'm in favour of employee co-ops being encouraged, with government assistance/facilitation. To take a positions in the enterprise, as harbour control stewards, operating and maintaining lock gates and collecting shipping/docking fees; or water and or, energy reticulators competing for custom etc/etc.

And no reason why many of them couldn't be professionally mentored indigenous enterprise!

In any event, we have a two trillion plus super fund to back the creation of quite massive credit instruments.

So, quite conventional financing (money creation) used by the banking fraternity, with complete impunity, every day!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 17 February 2018 10:13:03 AM
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The Greens are an alternative political belief system. They have their own tenets and are a necessary part of society. Society demands different viewpoints otherwise it risks becoming a stale, conformist cohort. You could compare politics with sport where a vast range of games exist, each with their own rules and nature. How boring it would be if everyone played exactly the same game! Some posters criticise the ABC for being left wing. This is possibly because the ABC is actually far more centralist than many other news organisations. Sure - just as in any organisation, there will be differences in how individuals express that group's expressions. But it can offer facts which others may wish to suppress, or diminish in importance. Its editorial policy keeps it attitudinally neutral, thus it is believed, trusted and relied upon factually by the majority of information-seeking Australians.
Posted by Ponder, Sunday, 18 February 2018 7:40:04 AM
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When Lance Hancock discovered mountains of the world's purest iron ore in the Pilbara. He approached numerous Australian governments for financial assistance to get an iron ore industry established.

His claims of mountains of iron ore so pure great chunks of it could be welded together, were met with wry smiles and a (don't con the con) wink and a nod. And lots of you don't say, unbelievable.

His last port of call being a reported meeting with Sir Joh, who looked blank and told him that's one for W.A., or Canberra?

Eventually when he'd exhausted his Australian options, he tried offshore and Rio Tinto. Who bought his lease? And agreed to a generous royalty?

They duly arrived with a letter of credit from Chase Manhattan that unlocked substantial Australian credit, which paid for both mine machinery and miners/expertise, most of it local and so on, until the operation went into the black?

None of the oh so generous with their virtually unlimited credit, Australian banks were aware that at the time they were paying all Rio Tinto's bills, Chase Manhattan was allegedly trading while insolvent?

Meaning the highly valued letter of credit was virtually worthless, unless you included, outhouse usage. 11th hour oil finds in Mexico, which Chase Manhattan had invested heavily in, rescued Chase Manhattan's bacon?

So, in effect we created all the money that financed our multi billion dollar iron ore industry into being from nothing!

And had we done just as we did, but excluding both Chase Manhattan and Rio Tinto. We could have had the same iron ore industry exporting the world's purest iron ore to the world. Except the billions in repatriated profits and systematically avoided tax would have remained here, beavering away in our economy.

And not too different from financing with the already alluded to social credit, any highly profitable, income earning project we want, if only we had the balls to risk something relatively minimal to create it! Instead we look for some foreign to screw us!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 18 February 2018 10:38:35 AM
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The left are a danger to society and need to be eradicated.
- Legitimising and Promoting Mental Illness -
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/02/13/best-friend-ban/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 18 February 2018 11:30:25 AM
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I've read where there's no longer a left and right in politics, just up or down, good or bad policy!

Without question the looney tunes seem to be mostly to the extreme left of centre? Just not all of them. Some coming from the extreme, divide and rule, right. And use misappropriated, in a scam as old as time, nationalism, to further their political prospects or rule!

What we really need to actually exterminate is extremism, callous indifference and attendant created poverty in all its forms and guises! And if for no other reason than quite massive self interest!

When any part of our nation is living below the poverty line or is impoverished we are all poorer for it! And an economic truism!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 18 February 2018 4:06:46 PM
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I'd give up my whinging and whining in a heartbeat Alan B, if the country were interested in developing good policy.
But I see little to that effect.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 18 February 2018 6:26:55 PM
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AC,

The 'left' should be eradicated ?! A bit harsh. How would you go about doing that, once you've seized power ? How would you stop all sorts of ideas, including even those which are genuinely Left, from sprouting spontaneously ?

There will always be a very wide variety of ideas, from perfectly sensible ones like mine, to the utterly crackpot, which can be labelled in some way 'Left'. Yes, there are many adult children on the 'Left' with their either-or mentality (for example, either Trump or Hillary, nobody else) and their John-Lennon-type 'Imagine' that if only everybody would hold hands and say "Om", there would eternal peace throughout the land. And of course, there will always be the crypto-fascists on the Left with their Utopian blueprints, never to beg changed or criticised - hence there will always be the potential executioners too.

That's okay: let a thousand flowers bloom, so that we can see what they look like.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 11:25:52 AM
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So the Leftie Ratbags have just twigged whom Russell is ?.. Now , because of his 'offences' he cannot express opinions...? Yep..! That's the Socialist Far Left for you.. Incidentally , I first met Russell well over 35 years ago when he used to put (some) words into Russ Hinzes' mouth.. He didn't like lefties or fools then and obviously still doesn't.. but he writes well !.. Sorry Russell for letting out the 'secret' about you and Big Vinnie.........
Posted by Aspley, Thursday, 22 February 2018 3:29:11 PM
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