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Our Reef is still Great, but the research isn't : Comments

By Graham Young, published 8/1/2018

This week an infestation of starfish on Swain Reefs heralds the return of more 'reef in crisis' stories, as predictable as summer thunderstorms.

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Shadow Minister

The US experienced over $300 billion in costs from extreme conditions in 2017. In 2018, they have already been hit by catastrophic wild fires. To put that in context, the Californian wild fires in 2018 have happened in their winter period. What is the probability of bushfires in July in Melbourne, Sydney or even Queensland? The advice in Queensland in July, is to prepare for the bushfire season.

http://www.noaa.gov/news/2017-was-3rd-warmest-year-on-record-for-us

Quote:

"Last year, the U.S. experienced 16 weather and climate disasters each with losses exceeding $1 billion, totaling approximately $306 billion a new U.S. record."

Moodys, Credit Rating Agency, has stated people living in Maine and Clifornia along low coastal plains need to move. Google can provide information for the reason.
Miami has spent $500 million on infra- structure to adapt to sunny day floods, lots of information can be found also through Google.
Communities in Alaska also have to move, Newton being an example of many. A few communities have already moved.

More than 3 months after hurrican Maria pummelled Puerto Rico, there are still areas without power. The population had been over 3.68 million in 2017, many people have now left.

The The National Climate Report is no bogus report; it encapsulates what has happened in the past year.

We are experiencing the impact of privatising energy producing sources in relation to energy costs.
Posted by ant, Friday, 12 January 2018 10:53:31 AM
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The devastated state of the ocean environment on this planet has nothing to do with emissions of CO2.

Note:
Presently I am in Solomon Islands without internet except when I go to town, thus I have been missing this thread and comments.
Maybe I can respond further next week.
Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 12 January 2018 11:00:48 AM
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mhaze

Regarding ExxonMobil:

"ExxonMobil's funding of anti-climate lobbying groups like the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), and the message is getting through. When ALEC drafted a resolution last month calling on the Environmental Protection Agency to withdraw its science-based finding that global warming emissions are endangering the planet, Exxon opposed the resolution, distancing itself publicly from ALEC's anti-climate stance. The resolution was eventually dropped."

From

Union of Concerned Scientists

The other aspect is that ExxonMobil, Chevron and a number of the fossil fuel companies are about to be hit by further legal action.
Posted by ant, Friday, 12 January 2018 12:20:16 PM
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Ant,

"And you thought it was hot now? How a 24-DAY heatwave on Australia's east coast in January 1896 saw temperatures climb to 49 degrees and killed 437 people

An extreme 24-day heatwave in January 1896 saw temperatures hit 48C. It saw people fleeing cities and killed 437 people including many children. The maximum temperature was above 38.9 degrees for over three weeks. Hospitals were overcrowded and people were dropping dead in the streets"

Arbitrary factoids don't really help. As property values climb, populations increase etc, the losses suffered from identical weather incidents increase over time, and when you start including droughts etc, the figures become dubious.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 12 January 2018 2:05:30 PM
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Shadow Minister

I followed up on your claim about high temperatures in 1896; were those temperatures measured using a Stevenson Screen? For example, if the standardised temperature is 20C, it would be possible to gain a much higher temperature or lower temperature depending on site chosen close by in many situations. A fact check discusses the problems with early temperature recordings:

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-was-the-1896-heatwave-wiped-from-the-record-33742

What is quite evident is that long term trend lines have been going in the wrong direction.
Those trend lines include ENSO, storm activity, and temperature. At the recent AGU meeting held in December, it was stated very clearly that some of the storms experienced in 2017 could not be explained without taking into account climate change. Those comments coming from the American Meteorological Society.
Posted by ant, Friday, 12 January 2018 4:29:50 PM
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Of course the Great Barrier Reef is still there, its made of stone.

Does anyone have any evidence the amount of dead coral now is about the same as 50 years ago?

Is there any evidence sewage nutrient overload-pollution dumped daily is not feeding algae that crown of thorns juvenile starfish thrive on?

Has Adani addressed the nutrient load in land spoil runoff likely to flow into the GBR lagoon and east Australia coast sediment dispersal system that flows to Cape York and beyond?
Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 12 January 2018 6:33:53 PM
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