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Philosophical arguments about religion at Christmas : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 22/12/2017

In the light of the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse some people are claiming a general redundancy of Christianity, or even religion in general.

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Suppose Alan means " All waste generated from this ore is still present in the gray upper layer (4 million tons) of the waste depository, which thus contains 800 tons of thorium or 9 10 tons of ThO2 unevenly dispersed in hardened shale ash."
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 22 December 2017 7:15:09 PM
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Dear David,

«enjoy the wonders of the world we live in»

I would like to believe that you sincerely wish us all well, then why is this curse sandwiched between your blessings?

The aim of religion is to return to God, rather than to remain addicted and trapped in the wonders of the world.

So I consider this an honest error and I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a really good year and also to thank you for your roll in purifying religion.

Intelligent, questioning atheists, have an important religious role: just as the human body cannot function and survive for long without its eliminative systems, no religion can function and survive for long without being questioned by atheists.

Here is what Shri Aurobindo has to say on atheism:

"Atheism is a necessary protest against the wickedness of the Churches and the narrowness of creeds. God uses it as a stone to smash these soiled card-houses."

"There are two for whom there is hope, the man who has felt God’s touch & been drawn to it and the sceptical seeker & self-convinced atheist; but for the formularists of all the religions & the parrots of free thought, they are dead souls who follow a death that they call living."

"Atheism is the shadow or dark side of the highest perception of God. Every formula we frame about God, though always true as a symbol, becomes false when we accept it as a sufficient formula. The Atheist & Agnostic come to remind us of our error."

For more, read http://auromere.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/on-atheism-and-agnosticism-2
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 22 December 2017 7:19:54 PM
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Dear Alan B,

As long as I don't attack anybody or am rude I don't feel I have to keep any of my ideas to myself nor do you have to keep any of your ideas to yourself.

Christianity can take credit for Hitler. Nazi newspapers printed Martin Luther's sermons against the Jews verbatim.

The centuries of hatred against Jews promoted by both the Lutheran and Catholic Churches made the German people ripe for Hitler's message that the Jews were to blame for Germany's difficulties.

Although the Catholic church has excommunicated, imprisoned and burned people at the stake Hitler was never excommunicated and died a Catholic in good standing. He even made a Concordat with the Vatican.

Individual Christians opposed Hitler, but none of the German Christian churches did nor supported those who opposed Hitler.

Although Hitler was not an enthusiastic Christian he was supported by most of the German churches who prepared the ground work for accepting the extermination of Jews.

German Christianity has a long history of persecuting, exiling and massacring Jews. Hitler carried on the tradition.
Posted by david f, Friday, 22 December 2017 8:00:25 PM
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David F ; The Vatican tried diplomatic measures with Hitler it's true. Hitler had backed Franco ; and the hope from the Vatican was that Hitler would leave them be. In 1938 Hitler responded by marching into Austria - deposing the 'Austro-Fascist' (Clerical/Monarchist) regime there. Earlier on German agents organised the assassination of the Austro-Fascist leader, Dolfuss. So - things were complex. (nb: I'm also a democratic socialist ; and would have stood with the Social Democrats against the Austro-Fascists when they took power in 1934) Hitler subordinated every civil institution to the Nazi state. Of course those who valued their lives backed him. But the churches in the Commonwealth and the United States supported the Allies. Point being that the churches all over the world were largely subordinated to secular power. Rare people like Bonhoeffer paid with their lives. You cannot 'pin' responsibility for Nazism on Christianity. German ethno-nationalism also had Pagan undertones. Half of Germany DID NOT vote for Hitler- including Christians. People 'buckled under' for fear of their lives once the totalitarian state, Gestapo, state surveillance and Terror apparatus were established. In any case it's exactly my point in the article that the church organisations get corrupted - and true Christians find God and Christ in their own way. The Churches will always have their frauds and careerists. But there are plenty of genuine people as well. Though some of those get taken advantage of by people in the hierarchies who are not genuine.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Friday, 22 December 2017 8:31:47 PM
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To David F.

Because I have heard mixed info regarding Hitler's religous stance I googled if Hitler was a Christian. This is what I found.

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/2017/10/26/was-hitler-a-christian-an-atheist-or-neither/

It's a book review on Richard Weikart's book, "Hitler's Religion." Though I'm sure the book goes into more detail, the review is very enlightening. It also supports many of the things I've heard regarding Hitler. He was in no way a Christian, except to first use it for political power, and then to oppress both Lutheran and Catholic Churches. Read the review.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 22 December 2017 8:57:08 PM
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Neither the article nor any comment has pointed out the obvious, urgent action which the church should take, which is to campaign for the death penalty for paedophiles.
Posted by Leo Lane, Friday, 22 December 2017 11:33:18 PM
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