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Real AI? Don't be fooled : Comments

By Graham Preston, published 14/12/2017

The key question now is, what are the criteria for something to be identified as being intelligent?

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Yes, no. Rubbish in rubbish out! That's not say that's always going to be the case, when machines can learn without programmed instruction? But like humans through trial and error?

On the subject of intelligence, let's hope we find intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, cause there's bugger all down here on planet earth!

Always look on the bright side of life.
Alan B.'
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 14 December 2017 9:17:20 AM
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Whew…so current technology will not be transformed into a primitive pile of pistons, by the advent of sickening cybernetics….(Dr Smith)?
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 14 December 2017 9:32:56 AM
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You're just making assertions here about free will as statements of fact. Likewise I can assert that we don't have free will and neither of us would have any better claim to truth than the other since neither of us has produced any evidence about our claims which supports one stance but not the other, also neither of us has produced any evidence which falsifies one but not the other.

Just out of curiosity would you say that other mammals, such as monkeys / dolphins / dogs / mice, have true intelligence or is it just humans? What about other animals such as reptiles, amphibians, fish, spiders, insects, etc? Where do you draw the line between what "living" things are intelligent and what isn't- what are the required defining features of intelligence?
Posted by thinkabit, Thursday, 14 December 2017 4:14:16 PM
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All the posts in OLO laid out end to end would fit inside an ant nest.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 14 December 2017 5:32:59 PM
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thinkabit – do you believe that you have control over what you are writing/saying? If you do have control then you are exercising free will – you are choosing to write one thing rather than another.

If you think that you have no control over what you write then how can your uncontrolled writing make any sense whatsoever? How can we engage in meaningful discussion if what we are producing is completely beyond our control and is just the product of the laws of physics acting on mindless matter?

There is good evidence for free will. Perhaps you may like to read an earlier article I wrote for OLO on this, “The absolute weirdness of a deterministic universe: http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=17152

As far as your questions about the intelligence of other mammals and other animals goes, there seems to be little doubt that they have intelligence but I would say that it is of a different order to that of human beings. Their behaviour seems to be essentially instinctive.

We do not hold animals accountable for their behaviour in the same way that we hold human beings. We punish people when we believe they have deliberately chosen to do things that are harmful to others. In contrast, if we think that a person was not in control of their actions when they caused harm we don’t send them to prison but to a mental health facility.
Posted by JP, Thursday, 14 December 2017 7:30:55 PM
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There's death penalty by lethal injection for violent dogs. Lesser breaches of law cause obedience training or restraint leashes to arrest behavioural offences. Smart dogs guide the blind or customs drug officials with poor nasal abilities. Dogs take action against those who abuse them , known as 'retards'.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 15 December 2017 2:35:24 AM
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Free will? I didn't know will (Bill) was a captive?

Levity aside, the only thing, we have free will/absolute control
over, is the thoughts we care to entertain inside our own individual cerebral cortex. And through them our attitudes; subsequent actions or lack thereof!

GREAT POWER THERE!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 15 December 2017 8:34:29 AM
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20 years.
China and India are both investing heavily in liquid salt reactors. . If all goes well, they should have operational plants in less than two decades. Time is relative and Einstein brings power from the mind into cyber space and off the planet.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 15 December 2017 11:12:42 AM
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«People are free agents and this provides evidence that they are made up of two substances – one physical and one non-physical»

Why would people be different than any other object, including machines? If anything is "just a machine", then humans too are "just a machine".

You perceive a difference because you happen to experience the thinking processes that occur inside this particular brain of one particular human, which you sometimes mistakenly call "you". Given that you do not even remember experiencing similar thinking processes that occur in other human brains, what basis have you for claiming that all humans are distinct from all non-humans?

Matter is matter. There are no physical and non-physical matters. There is, however, matter that is more grossly manifested (of solidified) and other matter which remains subtler without gross manifestation.

Sages tell us that energy (which they called "water") is a relatively gross manifestation of thought (which they called "fire"), then matter (which they called "earth") is a gross manifestation of energy. In turn, thought itself is a manifestation of something even subtler (which they called "air"), perhaps we can call it "intelligence". Modern science has already covered the first step by discovering that all of the grossest matter, is in fact a manifestation of energy (E=mc^2) - and science is yet to discover that energy itself is a manifestation of something even subtler.

As for yourself, you are neither of the above: you are not a gross physical body, you are not the energy in that body, you are not the thoughts in that body and you are not intelligence: thinking happens, it's a subtle natural phenomena, but you are not the thinker.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 15 December 2017 7:04:07 PM
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