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Give me your entrepreneurial masses… : Comments

By Vladimir Vinokurov, published 10/11/2017

What do Albert Einstein, Salvador Dali, Google co-founder Sergey Brin and Freddie Mercury have in common? They were refugees.

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So-called refugees, economic immigrants or just plain illegals are no smarter than locals. Some are much more useless than locals -e.g the 85% of a certain group who are still on the dole after 5 years. Any form of immigration reduces the living standards of the whole population. GDP goes up, but individual wealth plunges.

Immigration, no matter what sort, was used to disguise the effect of the GFC in Australia; it is used cynically by poiticians to produce fake 'growth' and to garner votes from certain ethnic groups.

There no justification whatsoever for our current mass immigration or intake of burdensome people claiming to be refugees.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 10 November 2017 8:54:37 AM
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....Auzkong...
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 10 November 2017 9:00:57 AM
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"Give me your entrepreneurial masses"

Give me a break!

Here we go again.
When is the needle ever coming off this broken record?

"What do Albert Einstein, Salvador Dali, Google co-founder Sergey Brin and Freddie Mercury have in common?"

They were all born to European parents and/or in European cultures.

Unlike 99% of today's refugees and 80% of immigrants.

Oh, and let's conflate those two groups into one, yet again.

"When local workers are in short supply" you don't have 700,000 unemployed.

"about one-third of Western Australians are now immigrants."

Goodbye, WA. It was nice knowing you.

"We can 'stop the boats' by repealing these laws."

We can also stop having any control over the border whatsoever.

With no penalty for visa-less travel, there would effectively be no impediment for ANYONE in the WHOLE WORLD to enter Australia, at any time, in any number.

A million people could arrive in one day. And nobody could refuse them. Idiocy.
Posted by Shockadelic, Friday, 10 November 2017 10:36:25 AM
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"We can 'stop the boats' by repealing these laws."

We sure can. Just because Australia signed the Refugee Convention back in 1951, and has carried that through to the current entirely different situation, does not mean it's binding i.e. when countries signed a UN agreement, it is NOT binding unless the signatory country actually enacts their own laws to make it so. I don't know what other countries did, but silly old Australia, actually put us under an obligation via an AUSTRALIAN Act.

That could be changed at any time - if we had politicians more interested in Australia than word opinion.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 10 November 2017 11:06:04 AM
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There are no refugees on Manus, only welfare shopping illegal gatecrashers who came on illegal boats of their own accord.

They are free to go any time they like, but of course, if they went home they would have to buy their own food & medical attention. Hell they might even have to work for a living.

With a name like Vinokurov, I wonder how many citizenships this bloke holds, & where his loyalty lies?
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 10 November 2017 11:33:55 AM
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The right kind of economic migrants, are what we need and hardly ever get, given global competition for them.

Moreover a few of them would be seriously challenged by a good character test.

That said, there's a good case for encouraging self funded and well heeled retirees. First and foremost, they are usually well past child bearing/producing age. Need lots of basic Australian owned and operated, labour/services, can afford, Australian private health cover and Australian burial services.

Can be sent/directed to regions with little or no economic activity save Australian private health care/services.

At the end of the day, when their relatively short stay ends, with their passing! Their real estate becomes part of the national estate and the economic stimulus they could impart to still largely undeveloped regions! Might well leave those regions, as self regenerating economic provinces that like the Gold coast, may from time to time, stagnate? But just never ever go backwards, thanks to re-population/decentralisation strategies, that would make the whole thing tick.

Finally, if we do want to encourage fair dinkum entrepreneurs here, along with their well-padded bank balances, we need fair dinkum, root and branch tax reform! No question! NONE!

And it needs to be coupled to the world's cheapest energy and an assured reliable water supply! And all doable and or, only ever prevented by endless prevaricating politicians, I believe, for vicarious, self serving reasons!

Please ex-plane?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 10 November 2017 11:36:01 AM
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//What do Albert Einstein, Salvador Dali, Google co-founder Sergey Brin and Freddie Mercury have in common? They were refugees.//

Nope, Einstein wasn't a refugee. Smart bloke that he was, he saw which way the wind was blowing and got the hell out of Dodge before the persecution really set in. With a Nobel already under his belt, he was quite welcome as an immigrant in the U.S.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 10 November 2017 6:24:44 PM
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VV: What do Albert Einstein, Salvador Dali, Google co-founder Sergey Brin and Freddie Mercury have in common

They weren't mahommedeans hell bent on destroying Western Society & Culture? Did I get it right?
Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 11 November 2017 4:20:26 PM
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Mr Vinokurov's use of four carefully-selected people to argue that all immigration by "refugees" is a good thing is logically flawed in a number of ways, as some commenters have already pointed out.

The main flaw, though, is that Vinokurov's argument is based on the "accidental" fallacy: because you've got four - none of them in Australia and such a tiny number anyway - who are successful has no bearing whatsoever on the value of the other 200,000 a year arriving here each year, legally or illegally.

And as we know, many of them are or soon will be criminals, most of them will be a burden on taxpayers for the rest of their live, many of them will survive through activities in the black economy and contribute bugger all to Australia - where do those 20 year old Lebs in south-west Sydney get all those Ferraris? - any many of them will try to assert a "right" to Sharia law and the complete rejection of Australian law and values. And then there are the terrorists.

Nah, don't need any of that.
Posted by calwest, Sunday, 12 November 2017 7:13:59 AM
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Not all entrepreneurial enterprise is good for ordinary Australians. Like say a foreign company currently excluded from a foreign market for failing to be as clean and green as we? Coming in, buying an Australian icon like Murray Goulburn then using it as a pathway into our Markets, for their less desirable product?

Thus we lose market share, reputation and even the cooperative capitalism that built much of this clean green image we crow on about?

Arguably, we have a government ideologically opposed to cooperative capitalism, which they deliberately and knowingly conflate and confuse with socialism and or communism?

Then instead of manufactured goods and their export propping up the economy, we want to sell export of last resort! Services!

Why? As with financial services, we can become the money laundering capital of the world?

Or with tourism so that public transport is overwhelmed by pack em and stack em tourists that forever changes our cities and over utilised services! And Professors, PHD's etc can drive cabs, polish foreign footwear and wait tables!

Or with education so we can sell overpriced degree and make them unaffordable for average Australians! Ditto real estate, the family farm and a growing list of staple food items!?

A $50.00 roast doesn't look any where as remote as it did when Barnaby predicted it?

When all that has ever been missing is an entrepreneurial Government, leading by example! Plus energy we all of us can afford, none more so than our dwindling manufacturing sector and irrigated agriculture!

I could go on, given there's more of this (sell the country down the river) coal fired insanity waiting in the wings?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 12 November 2017 10:20:54 AM
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