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The second person of the Trinity: the Son : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 11/10/2017

If a kindly Father God was looking down from above ready to intervene for his Son he must have turned aside so as not to see.

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Only thing to add is not just the life and death of Jesus. But also the reserection of Jesus.

The life of Jesus is both hope and rebuke. He taught to turn from our sins. He taught forgiveness but repenting was ongoing subject. In His life Jesus healed, forgave and He taught our current condition. That no one is good and all have sinned.

In Jesus's death, yes that can be counted as a failure of religion in Isreal, and as a failure of mankind, but it is also the beginning of why Jesus came. The death and sacrifice of sins. AND the reserection and our newfound hope. Our forgiveness (and need for forgiveness) by God showing a real sacrifice to save us; as well as our hope that Jesus rose and promised eternal life for all who believed in Jesus.

Our redemption and our hope is based on the death and reserection of Jesus. Our lives and our way of living should be based on Jesus's life and His teachings. The faith of a Christian is from the life of Jesus, His death in the cross, and His reserection, and the Holy Spirit that was given after He rose and went to Heaven without death.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Thursday, 12 October 2017 3:28:59 AM
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To Toni Lavis. It's good to see you acknowledge the merrit Of Jesus's teachings. But there's one thing to add. Jesus wasn't just a good man, or a top bloke. It's that He's the only one that can be counted as a good man. Everyone else from the past to the future (include you and me) fail the measure to be good, pure and without any sin or wrong in them.

So studying Jesus's lessons; His life; and his parables are worth a great measure for us. Each of us. The Beutitudes, and the lessons of the two famous sermons Jesus gave. The parables that give insight, and also talk about the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus's answers to the people, including that Jesus is the Son of God. And His consistent message to seek forgiveness and repent of (turn away from) our sins.

If you would like I think talking about Jesus's teaching (any of them or all of them) would be a great discussion to have. Thankyou for providing the acknowledgement of Jesus by His life and his teachings. Because I now feel confidant in inviting this topic forward. :)
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Thursday, 12 October 2017 3:44:38 AM
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This is a little like going through The Lord of the Rings chapter by chapter, and telling us where Tolkein got it wrong:

"Well, of course, Gandalf didn't really have a beard..."

And YOU know this, Peter, how?
Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 12 October 2017 4:50:43 AM
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Dear Peter,

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You conclude :

« Any healing of the Church, which is now in disarray on all counts, must begin with a return to the conceptions of God produced by the early Church. Crucially, this involves the reintegration of the doctrine of the Trinity and the dispersal of the idolatry that has made the Church a laughing-stock. This alone is the answer to both the theism and the atheism that is, at present, destroying us »
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That’s a strange diagnosis. Are you sure you haven’t overlooked something there, Peter ?

You can’t have read the same things I have been reading in the newspapers these past few years. A pity … but never mind. It’ll blow over, I guess. Like everything else …

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 12 October 2017 7:21:12 AM
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Not_Now.Soon,

I think it’s sad that you believe that no-one is good. I think there are a lot of good people in the world. No-one’s perfect, but that doesn’t mean that all are bad. I think you highlight part of what is so immoral about the doctrine of Original Sin.

On a separate note (ignoring for the moment that there is no good reason to believe anything about an Historical Jesus happened as reported in the Bible), Jesus did not sacrifice himself. Jesus basically had a bad weekend and then got to be God at the end of it.

Jesus suffered a temporary inconvenience, but in no meaningful way was his crucifixion a sacrifice.
Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 12 October 2017 8:05:27 AM
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PS.

All the years through which I've been a member of this forum, you have ignored my comment. Apart from the “rude” that is, it taught me something of your views.
In a phrase; you are lost.

I'll put this idea to you. If all the Christian churches in the world were simultaneously blown up, Christianity among “true” believers would continue on.
The established church is not needed by God or man!

“Where two or more are gathered together in my name, (notice, no mention of a church establishment), there I am in the midst”

I think you are lost in the woods of theology!
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 12 October 2017 9:39:25 AM
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