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Should we 'pupil' kids or 'NAPLAN' them? : Comments

By Phil Cullen, published 20/9/2017

Australia's fixation with testing is one of the biggest stumbling blocks to our nation's development, ever.

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Teachers, like this one, are s..t scared of Naplan and tests because the results reflect badly on their own poor education and lack of ability to teach.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 7:29:08 AM
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A poor teacher is not necessarily a bad person. Sad. But the demands on teachers time has been usurped by administrative demands. Here is another; NAPLAN.

We live in a world now where students rule. When the chips are down, it is a lonely life for a teacher, with little to no support.
Teachers on the most part, are demoralised!
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 8:16:55 AM
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I simply cannot understand the philosophy behind this article. Educational standards are continually falling, literacy levels are well below what they were 50 years ago, yet somehow testing is to blame?
Does the author not realise that 50 years ago all students were tested at the end of each year? And no multiple choice questions, everything was in essay type answers. Our annual grade was partly based on the results of that test. Our yearly report card gave not only what percent mark we got in each test, but also our position in class, so parents and students knew exactly where their level lay.
And to gain a year ten and twelve certificate students had to travel to a major public facility, one that would seat all applicants and over several days, were tested in all subjects studied. In Adelaide the Showgrounds were used.
Our year ten and twelve certificates were based on the results of those exams and each subject was given a mark. A,B, C,D or E. The certificates were used to help get jobs or into Uni.
And no, kids weren't committing suicide because of stress over exams, or if they did it was in such minute numbers we never heard of it.
Frankly, I think we need more testing, not less. Teachers coped with larger classes, and fewer electronic aids.
Posted by Big Nana, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 9:10:08 AM
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Rhetorical risible rubbish! The problem here is teachers who crammed to get degrees, then almost immediately forgot what they crammed, just for the purpose of passing a life and income changing exam?

And then let loose on our kids, bring their fear of failure and cramming ideology with them, as they prep kids to simply pass an exam?

Making it into meaningless nonsense as they do so! Given NAPLAN was designed to show up and mitigate against inherent deficiencies!

Uncooperative numbskulls, will try as hard as they can to sabotage NAPLAN, and or, actively work to undermine its very purpose?

It would work better, if totally unprepared kids had their numeracy and literacy skills independently accessed by completely impartial, visiting education professionals!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 20 September 2017 10:34:30 AM
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The whole point of Naplan is that you can teach the kids more effectively.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 12:57:46 PM
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I have a wonderful idea Phil.

Why the hell don't you do a good job of teaching our kids. Do that & you won't be scared witless of testing.

Meanwhile we will demand testing so we can see how good a job you are doing.

We are getting sick of miserable teachers trying to claim NAPLAN is stressful on the kids when it is the bad teachers who are feeling stress, but not as much stress as they should be. We need to start sacking our failing teachers, to give them a reason to do a better job.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 4:37:30 PM
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The teachers union; one union John Howard could not toss ( unfortunately).

The problem with DET is a union which wags the dog. The other unfortunate for education, is the affiliation of the teachers union with the ideologically corrupt Labor Party. (Teaching kids to be homosexuals).

Education has become a game of Mexican stand-off.

NAPLAN is just another jigsaw piece in the power play, and will fall by the wayside eventually.

Public schools need to be splintered and sold off to private providers. That will break the back of the union and give all kids a fair go!
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 8:10:39 PM
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When governments started seeing humans as commodities they scrapped the idea of education which used to be a preparation for life and now merely prepare children for the workforce.

Deeming this to be a testable issue, like measuring profit and loss they have left education out and replaced it with a set of figures which can be blamed on someone other than them if it is not working.

If government got out of the classroom and let teachers do what they are trained for and very capable of, then our children would have a real opportunity for education.

And while governments are staying out of the teaching business perhaps they could stop interrupting lessons by seeking political mileage in classrooms during elections. There really are not many Year one to three children who vote.
I have noticed the politicians rarely go into High School classrooms . Could this be because there might be questions?
Posted by Hilily, Monday, 25 September 2017 3:05:35 PM
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