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Trump must question Abbas-PLO commitment to peace with Israel : Comments

By David Singer, published 30/8/2017

'We won’t accept the Jewishness of Israel. We are asking for the 1967 borders.' (Mahmoud Abbas 2014)

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I don't see why Trump must do anything!

Clearly it's up to the conflicted parties to find an agreement they can both live with and honor!

In the interim, the commercial boycott should be ramped and ramped up again and again, given it's the only bloodless solution with a snowflake's chance in hell of getting the Israelis to commit to and honor the already negotiated road map and two state solution!

And an end to the illegal settlements!

It matters not what some Jewish court, in Netanyahu's pocket, loudly exclaims as legal, when the international is at complete odds. The way they were when Nazi Germany illegally annexed Poland!

What Netanyahu hasn't tried is the energy and water solution, and available as thorium energy, coupled to new space age deionization dialysis desalination.

Not for nothing is it writ large, you can catch more flies with a teaspoon of honey, than a whole jar of vinegar!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 30 August 2017 10:17:36 AM
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The PLO northern faction led by Hadadezer the son of Rehab the king of Zobah agreed to border surveys by king David's tank commander Abishai the son of Zeruiah that were recognised in 1949 . Agricola then negotiated with the Caledonians of Calgacus at Mons Graupius marking the edge of Galilee in Jewish Scotland , and now recognised as an Italian olive grove and Sicilian Mafia housing estate.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 11:53:04 AM
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Why ask silly questions - everyone knows that Abbas/PLO are NOT committed to peace, so what? There's nothing they can do, only bark!

Build a big wall over Israel's 1967 borders, then lock them out and leave them alone on the other side. Following that, if they still dare to even squeak against Israel, then they and their homes will be vaporised in seconds.

But the author is not committed to peace either, nor cares about Israel's welfare. His sole aim is to bring those cursed territories under Jewish control; and he wants Israel to do that dirty work for him.

«The land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish people»

That's the official Jewish narrative, but was it?

Most Jewish people today are descendants of converts from other lands.

«Here their spiritual, religious and national identity was formed»

The bible claims that these were formed in Egypt and during the following 40 years in the desert.

In practice, national Jewish identity developed mostly during the Babylonian and Persian exile.

Jewish religion as we know it was developed later, mostly in Babylon.

Jewish spirituality was developed even later, mainly with the practices of Kabbalah and Hasidism.

<<Here they achieved independence>>

In its original period of independence, what is now Israel was divided into two rival nations: 'Judea' in Jerusalem and the south; and 'Israel' with the northern tribes. Later periods of independence were rare and far between.

<<and created a culture of national and universal significance>>

Does this refer to Christianity?

«Exiled from Palestine»

Even after the Jewish rebellions against the Romans, the Jews were never exiled from Israel, only from Jerusalem. Eventually most left for economic reasons, but some remained and many of those who are now called "Palestinians" are their descendants (who meanwhile converted to Islam).

«What excuses and reasons do you have for refusing to recognize and accept the Jewishness of Israel?»

The Jewishness of Israel is expressed in its language, customs and especially in its calendar. However, Israel belongs to its citizens rather than to the Jews and 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 1:05:51 PM
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Israel has a persuasive point to make:
"Last updated on 8 June 2017
War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel was established in the 1990s.,. In 2014, the US agreed to increase the stock to $1.8 billion.

The majority of the Israeli reserves are purchased from the US, due to their $3 billion in military aid from the US ..In the period since 1949 up to the present day the US has granted almost $84 billion in foreign aid to Israel."

Abbas is dead wrong.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 4:53:54 PM
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#Yuyutsu

You state:
"But the author is not committed to peace either, nor cares about Israel's welfare. His sole aim is to bring those cursed territories under Jewish control; and he wants Israel to do that dirty work for him."

A complete and utter lie.

I have been advocating for Israel and Jordan to divvy up "those cursed territories" between their respective States in direct negotiations as the two successor states to the Mandate for Palestine.

"Those cursed territories" are the last remaining 5% of the territory comprised in the Mandate for Palestine where sovereignty is still unallocated between Arabs and Jews.

Please withdraw your totally false and misleading statement immediately.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 31 August 2017 8:38:45 AM
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David
You're confirming what Yuyutsu said. Turkey divvied up Arabia then the Allies after WWI and now Israel is . It becomes clearer the more you argue.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 31 August 2017 11:43:25 AM
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Dear David,

Jordan has already washed off its hands in 1988 as it declared that it has no interest in the West Bank.

Anyone can see that having anything to do with this cursed land would clearly be against Jordan's interests and since Jordanians are not idiots, if Jordan is forced into "negotiation" with Israel, it would simply tell Israel: "take it all, what's that got to do with me?".

While you avoided saying so explicitly, what other outcome could there possibly be from such "negotiations", except for Israel to take the full responsibility/sovereignty for that cursed territory?

And this is just the outcome you want, as you believe that Israel sits in your little pocket to serve your Jewish ambitions with its blood, sweat and tears.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 31 August 2017 12:53:21 PM
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You are delusional singer.
Trump will never help you. Even if he wanted to his total and utter incompetence would ensure complete failure.
Grasping at straws is so pathetic.
Funny you have more faith in a farcical clown like trump than your so called god.
You would think your god would assist his "chosen" people in their quest for land. He did last time.
But somehow this time he does nothing. Funny that.
How do you explain your gods lack of assistance for the jewish people singer?
Posted by mikk, Thursday, 31 August 2017 1:05:59 PM
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#Yuyutsu

You now add the following further false and misleading remarks without any evidence to substantiate them:
"And this is just the outcome you want, as you believe that Israel sits in your little pocket to serve your Jewish ambitions with its blood, sweat and tears."

I would ask you to withdraw the above remarks in addition to the following totally false and misleading claims which I earlier asked you to retract:
"But the author is not committed to peace either, nor cares about Israel's welfare. His sole aim is to bring those cursed territories under Jewish control; and he wants Israel to do that dirty work for him."

If you are not man or woman enough to do so, then have the guts to give me your full name and address so I can take legal action against you.

When you have made your choice - we can then civilly discuss the following issues you have raised:
"Jordan has already washed off its hands in 1988 as it declared that it has no interest in the West Bank.

Anyone can see that having anything to do with this cursed land would clearly be against Jordan's interests and since Jordanians are not idiots, if Jordan is forced into "negotiation" with Israel, it would simply tell Israel: "take it all, what's that got to do with me?".
Posted by david singer, Friday, 1 September 2017 7:59:37 AM
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"I would ask you to withdraw from east Jerusalem in addition to the following totally false and misleading claims which I earlier asked you to retract: " His sole aim is to bring those cursed territories under Jewish control; ."

If you are not man or woman enough to do so, then have the guts to give me your full name and address so I can take Merkava Mk 4M Windbreaker, fitted with Trophy Active Protection System, against you. When you have made your choice - we can then civilly discuss your military defeat ."
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 1 September 2017 7:08:59 PM
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