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Queensland’s evangelism ban can’t prevail against law : Comments

By Mark Fowler, published 10/8/2017

A 2013 ruling, upheld on appeal to the Victorian Court of Appeal, that the sharing of faith by students who had attended religious instructions classes did not amount to a “detriment” to those with whom they shared.

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The tail of the teachers union wagging the dog again...I'll make a bet, pro homosexuality will be paraded as acceptable though, under the banner of anti bullying and on equity grounds, in the school yard..perfectly ok, great idea ....ban Christians and Muslims, ( not Jews though, a persecuted minority such as they are...tich tich), terrorists all! Bla bla....
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 10 August 2017 9:12:31 AM
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After the Berlin wall came down, communists focused their attention westwards believing that for socialism to prevail it had to start in wealthy places.
Posted by progressive pat, Thursday, 10 August 2017 9:53:59 AM
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Homosexual perversion OK in schools; Christianity not OK. What a wretched, broken country Australia has in become. I see no reason for any religion to infiltrate schools, but neither do we need the immorality and sickness of 'safe schools', when schools are far from safe, given the Marxist teachers' unions.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 10 August 2017 10:52:14 AM
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Scientology? Evangelistic evolutionism? Evangelistic environmentalism? Fanatical homophobia? Extreme fundamentalism? Food worship? Cannot err cultism? Everyone entitled to religious freedom?

And call out difference whenever we see it, in the name of freedom of speech! Even where that speech is loaded with aggressive abuse and laden with invective?

If you don't believe in same sex coupling? Don't have any!

But don't forbid folks born left handed to use their left hand to masterbate! Always providing they are the ones risking sudden separation from the stimulated appendage and done in the privacy of their own abode!

Stop that freddy, you'll go blind!

Put it away! You don't know where it's been, or who handled it last! For heaven's sake don't put it in your mouth! It's not food!

Wadda ya mean, the world isn't flat? You really do need to get to the temple more often!

If only to read a very ancient text on display there in a glass cabinet, delivered personally straight from the hands of God, that demands we believe, it's so!

And we know that it's true! Because the book and the holier than thou, pulpit pounding prophet/diabolically disingenuous disciple tells us so!

Sorry if I offend with my fractured fables/levity. There very definitely is a place for religion and religious teaching and that's in the church and associated Sunday schools.

Leave the, who made me and why did he make me, (please don't make me. I'll tell) brainwashing in the dustbin of history!

And given the connotations, keep the alleged religious zealots (boy buggerers) out of our schools and away from their preferred, target for tonight!

I agree 100% with the Government! And not with the, methinks thou doth protest too much, "Evangelists"
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 10 August 2017 10:59:25 AM
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the high priests panicking that the idiotic immorality and evolutionary fables taught in schools will be exposed by truth. Tony Abbott is right, vote no to political correctness. The revised Sodom and Gomorrah empire will stop at nothing to extinguish light. Thankfully they can''t win in the end.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 10 August 2017 12:59:53 PM
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There isn't enough darkness in the entire world (hate, fear, thought control, propaganda, dogma, ideology and fundamental falsehoods) to extinguish the light of a single candle (love, reason,logic and the mighty irrefutable truth/evidence!)

A proper time and place for everything and everything in its place!

Education, evidence based science and maths etc, for/in the classroom!

Religious indoctrination for/in the churches, madrases, mosques, synagogues and temples!

Leave it until they learn critical thinking and able to question absurd advocation/sort the grains of truth from the chaff of unfounded convection/assertion!

Unfounded assertions/never ever proven claims the reason for war and bloodshed!

And in direct contravention of, thou shalt not kill directive!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 10 August 2017 3:17:38 PM
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Lawyers, lawyers, so sad!

So sad to see Christians who are supposed to trust in the Lord on high, try solving their problems instead by looking down at the small print of the latrines of civil and international law.

Christians used to obey the Lord alone, defy the Roman law and gaily be fed to the lions - where are they today?!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 10 August 2017 10:41:10 PM
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Yuyutsu.

Firstly, Australian Christian culture has been so diluted by foreign cultures through the immigration process over the years, that Christian morality once considered the back bone of the country, has been usurped by outside influences.

Secondly, this article is about persecution of “Christian children” who take their religious convictions to the school yard. That is sacrificial I would think.

The godless persecuting State, now considers children a threat to its Secular domination, and openly persecutes the children of its protectorate.

So to my mind the question of reason is this; which of the godless law makers for State godlessness, made this law effective?

A couple here, inclusive of myself, finger the teachers union. This is a group on a parallel with the Australian Broadcasting Commission, (the ABC) for rolling their barrow over all and every upholding of traditional Christian cultural heritage, and replacing it with a version of morals unrecognisable to true Australians! (Ask if you will, what is a true Australian, I won't answer, it's a secret)!
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 11 August 2017 8:38:38 AM
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we can't have the hopelessly corrupt and immoral lifestyle promoted by secularist to our kids exposed can we? Oh that's right the moral high priest warn the kids of gw. What a joke!
Posted by runner, Friday, 11 August 2017 9:35:30 AM
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You can also be sure that Christ' name will continue to be blasphemed on TV, in the school yard and by teachers. Of course they will be far to gutless to blasphemy Buddha or Mohammed.
Posted by runner, Friday, 11 August 2017 9:51:26 AM
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Thank you Mark Fowler for a superb article that outlines some of the legal elements that make it reasonable for all children of any faith to share their faith on the playground. I found your assessment very helpful in pointing to the need to revoke what the Qld Education Dept is doing:

<<Article 29 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which Australia has ratified, which requires that State education prepare “‘the child for responsible life in a free society, in the spirit of understanding, peace, tolerance, equality of sexes, and friendship among all … religious groups”. Furthermore, Article 14 provides that children enjoy the freedom of religion or belief. International human rights law recognises that the right to religious freedom enfolds the protection of the right to share one’s faith.>>
Posted by OzSpen, Saturday, 12 August 2017 5:30:41 PM
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diver dan,

<<A couple here, inclusive of myself, finger the teachers union. This is a group on a parallel with the Australian Broadcasting Commission, (the ABC) for rolling their barrow over all and every upholding of traditional Christian cultural heritage, and replacing it with a version of morals unrecognisable to true Australians! (Ask if you will, what is a true Australian, I won't answer, it's a secret)!>>

I would add some other influences.

Queensland Parents for Secular State Schools, formed from the Kenmore Atheist Community - and promoted by the Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc - and the Rationalist Society of Australia are lobbying for the end of religious instruction in state schools.They want schools to be secular, with no religious influence.

I wonder what part these organisations have in censoring Jesus on the playground.

There is the added issue that churches find it difficult to locate enough instructors for RI because many adults with children are in the workforce and are unable to be available for such instruction.
Posted by OzSpen, Saturday, 12 August 2017 5:35:03 PM
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I don't have issue with the Christmas cards and I think it would be wrong to ban people from giving them to their friends.

But I do have issue with Islamic terrorists kids in Punchbowl Primary School, forcing other kids to recite the koran and threatening to behead teachers.

In a world that is only concerned with 'equality' then I'h happily lose the christmas cards at school if I could also lose Islamic terrorist kids.
The question is why should I have to?

Go back to where you bloody came from.
Stop trying to sodomise my country.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 13 August 2017 6:36:34 AM
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One big issue that needs to be addressed is that religion is not privite. To my knowledge no religion ever claims to be privite, but tries to make it a way of life. The simularities between religions from there frays and differs depending on each religion. But make no mistake that asking to keep s person's religous life privite is in it's own way telling them not to practice it at all. It's an all or nothing kind of thing. A way of life or broken pieces out of a religion.

That has to be said and understood. A second pressing issue is specifically with this sitution in the schools. If a student is not allowed to speak freely, that will harm their apility to learn. In the school system forcing religous activities and discussions will harm the students and will likely cause a shift to remove children from those schools.

Personally I'm quite happy with a population that is mostly literate. Creating an instutionilized class war between secular and religion will worsen the education of the population as a whole. Is this measure worth it?!
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Monday, 14 August 2017 5:15:05 PM
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