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Let's finally build the Melbourne Airport Rail Link : Comments

By Ordan Andreevski, published 7/7/2017

All around the globe and around Australia, people powered movements like ours are fighting and winning battles in support of urgently needed public transport solutions.

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Simples - just give the CFMEU buckets and buckets of money and President Dan will build it for sure. But if you don't pay the CFMEU he will probably pay you not to build it. Ahhh.... the glorious state of Victoriastan.
Posted by Sparkyq, Friday, 7 July 2017 10:51:15 AM
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We can build and pay for anything that'll make a quid! And we can! Just let's not privatise the profit stream and socialize any consequent debt!

And diabolically dumb stuff that brought the economic miracle the was the celtic tiger to not just a complete halt, but screaming backwards, hypothetical tyres screeching and smoking, in reverse gear!

Or created the GFC!

Let the people fund it, build it, retain it and all and any profit stream!

We already have copious wardrobes bursting at the seams with myriad suits of the Emperor's new clothes, sometimes referred to as PPP's and or privatization, or sold so as to build new infrastructure!

Financing infrastructure is easier for facilitating government, given it can after a business case is made, borrow for half what private entities need to find! For whom the problem of making a business case is also further compounded by the need to provide a dividend stream to alleged shareholders!

That said, private entities remain free to tender for the, time sensitive, penalty clause inclusive, work contracts and or material supply!

How do you suppose the oldies managed to build first world economy from a war torn virtually bankrupt backwater, into the third wealthiest nation on the planet and a creditor one at that!

Yes, let's not only build stuff, but get all manner of private entrepreneurial industry up and running as a consequence. And let risked capital, be once again part of the price of, bona fide, fiercely competitive, private enterprise!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 7 July 2017 11:21:36 AM
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Immediate extension of the Airport West tramway to the airport, plus construction of a high speed rail tunnel straight from Southern Cross to Melbourne Airport, would be a MUCH better solution than this MARL.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 7 July 2017 1:06:38 PM
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Yes, Aidan, building a tunnel through a heavily populated area, may well be the cheaper option! With little or no consequent land resumption requirement, included as an essential first step!

Therefore, could also be point A to point B straight line construction. Which lends itself to rapid rail? Rapid rail would ensure it was definitely the most preferred option, by the transferring traveling public?

Maximised fare paying custom and usage, will ensure commercial viability!

The distance short enough to allow a single rail and single reciprocating train as the first step? Essential to minimise initial outlays, maximise returns and have the project pay for any subsequent improvements?

Dual lines or a continuous loop and additional trains/capacity e.g.?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 7 July 2017 10:53:33 PM
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Wonderful Idea, provided the people of Melbourne pay for it. Most of the population of Oz have no interest in Melbourne, or it's airports.

In the same way I can see no reason for the people of anywhere but the northern suburbs of Brisbane being asked to pay for an under Brisbane river rail tunnel.

Public transport is a ridiculous expense, most of us who never use it, or even have it, are forced to subsidise. It appears to be just a way of giving inner city working bureaucrats & those who serve them a cheap comfortable commute.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 8 July 2017 12:56:05 PM
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Hasbeen,

What's ridiculously expensive is road transport in urban areas. Public transport is more efficient, and enables much of the enormous expense of upgrading the road system to be avoided.

And ITYF it's residents of Brisbane's southern suburbs (and the Gold Coast) who'll benefit most from Cross River Rail, though Northern suburbs residents will benefit too.

The generation who mostly never use public transport are dying out now.
Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 8 July 2017 4:45:50 PM
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What utter tripe Aiden. Public transport is about as useful as tits on a bull, unless you work in a city centre, & never have any chores to do between work & home..

I can see it now. All those mothers walking to the railway station, with a small child, catching a train to a kilometre of the day care centre, walking to it with small child, then back to catch a train to work.

It will work even better on the way home, with a bus ride thrown in, standing up with said child, to the shopping centre to pick up milk & bread, then another train home.

Some times your brilliance, & your ability to think things through amaze me. Have you ever thought of trying the real world for a change?
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 9 July 2017 12:11:30 AM
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Hasbeen Far be it for me to defend a perfectly reasonable Aidan, with a perfectly reasonable response and idea for the transferring of airline passengers, even those "minute percentage" referenced by you, flying from Hong Kong or wherever, to take a kid to an Australian day care centre, before boarding another plane back to their, Hong Kong or wherever, place of employment?

Self evidently, you've given this Airport rail link proposal, considerable thought before opening your mouth to change your socks, again!

It's not all that long ago, that you were castigating a government for closing down (public transport) regional rail links!

As always, you appear entirely incapable of walking in another's shoes? But limit your views and opinions as seen through a very narrow personal prism/horizon that is clearly limited to just your front gate/nearest town and your immediate family?

Simply put, 70 plus percent of the economy and the population now is located in the coastal regions, i.e., the coastal cities and towns, with possibly around half or more residing in Melbourne and Sydney?

So, moving people without any unnecessary delay from an international airport to a Major CBD, is not just good for the city in question, but regional economies as well, given they could well be beneficiaries of anything that improves city based international commerce!

Arguably, it's not Aidan's brain that is suffering from the effects of age related atrophy, in connection with this debate, but the antique troglodytes welded, like (rocket man) Kim Jong Il, to an ideological imperative only!

You'll have a nice day now, y'hear.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 9 July 2017 10:46:10 AM
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Hasbeen, it may have escaped your attention, but public transport does also serve places other than city centres. And it usually has intermediate stops too.

I notice you're resorting strawman arguments. I'm not saying that public transport is better than cars for everything. Clearly there are a lot of things for which cars are better. Although as our cities get denser, the advantages are diminishing, and the younger generations are more likely to use alternative such as Uber. But more importantly, having a car doesn't stop people taking public transport when it's convenient.
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 9 July 2017 7:31:56 PM
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You are right Aiden. I actually used one, or 2 in fact to go from Beenleigh up to Mooloolaba 5 years ago to pick up a car.

I left home at 6.00 AM, & after 2 trains & a $35 taxi ride, I got there at 12.15 PM. Cost all up $70.

Left Mooloolaba in said car at 12.45, & got home at 3.15, cost $26.

You can keep your public transport, just leave me out of funding the ridiculous taxpayer subsidies it requires.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 9 July 2017 8:11:40 PM
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