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What Fight Club teaches us about ISIS : Comments

By Mark Manolopoulos, published 7/6/2017

Reports of more terrorist attacks force us to once again address the question: why are westerners enlisting with ISIS?

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The ABC has figured it out for us all, the latest terrorist attack was not related to Islam since it was carried out during the holy month of Ramadan. :-)
So correctly or not, we may now defer to the outcome of drug addiction to ice, as a main motivation to terror acts.
Actually, I'm inclined to agree.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 8:25:46 AM
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Anybody still asking 'why', including the Left media and politicians, is as thick as two short planks.

Islam is the 'why': there is no other reason.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 10:23:09 AM
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most academics are to thick to study the hopelessly immoral and irrational dogmas of secularism. How on earth could they ever understand Islam.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 10:56:47 AM
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What we learn most from fight club is, this is the last straw for folk, without means or a foreseeable future. And since time immemorial, the only way out of the ghetto or postcode poverty trap!

And where those who arrange the contests, being the only real winners!

Muhammad Ali, may have won some memorable bouts inside the ring, but became a shambling wreck long before nature would allow or arrange, as his payment.

Isis is similar in so many ways as the parasite predator, (fight arranger) preying on injustice and inequality for its willing, with little left to lose, hopeless hell bound recruits.

And that is the one real lesson coming from fight night, in relation to the most atrocious, abominable, mass murdering, satanic evil and diabolical destruction of innocents, ever let loose on the face of the planet!

And like a malignant cancer, must be cut out before it destroys the rest of the body!

It's not like there's another choice and again another lesson coming from fight night, or that there can only ever be one winner in a no holds barred, fight to the finish, contest!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:30:50 AM
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We are all at risk of becoming part of a group mind. Any group gives rise to a group mind, and the more people who become part of it, the stronger it becomes.
The group mind which supports ISIS, has become strong, through numbers, and continually attracts more individuals.
As Nietszche said:” Madness is something rare in individuals- but in groups, parties, peoples, ages it is the rule”
Until an event changes the group mind, it will continue to attract victims
.Mark’s specious nonsense has no validity, and bears no relation to Nietszche, who was an anti-nihilist.
Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 5:41:17 PM
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We are at war. As in previous generations the latest hotest war will
start in Europe. A "civil" war is inevitable.
The number of ISIL soldiers in Europe are now nearly equal to the
European armies.
Read this item and see if we are likely to get involved in the European war.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10480/jihadists-europe
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:20:56 PM
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diver dan

Yes. Drug abuse, especially steroid drug abuse, is a factor in many of these political and non-political massacres. Peter Hitchens, in his UK Daily Mail blog keeps reiterating this point. Other (gasp!) radical feminist arguments point to the perpetrators' histories of domestic violence.

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In regard to the rest of the article. The elephant in the room is that these acts of political and non-political violence are expressions of male toxicity. We are not supposed to go down this road. We are supposed to view these acts as law and order issues, requiring law and order solutions. The gender of the perpetrators is of no consequence - nothing to see here, folks. Just move along.
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 8 June 2017 1:49:59 AM
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"expressions of male toxicity"

Male, mid-twenties, well educated, domineering mother, raised by a Nanny State where even mild risk-taking by the 'imperfect girls' such as climbing park trees is frowned upon, he blamed for his gender and no girlfriend (he hopes that becoming a 'bad boy' might enhance his chances).

You have done well though, thinning the suspects to a definite 50% of the world's population and the other half responsible for raising them to be that way. 100%, go get 'em! Or is that 100% less your good self?
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 8 June 2017 2:22:48 AM
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We are hoping this will not become some group of people planing to introduce war.
Posted by rollyczar, Friday, 9 June 2017 2:15:04 AM
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I think you are right on point ttbn.
Posted by rollyczar, Friday, 9 June 2017 2:17:14 AM
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Mark Manolopoulous is upset because people in the western world are happy. He hates the idea that everybody is not as miserable as he is. He thinks that the violent ideology which encourages immature young people to bash each other in a "made for adolescents" movie is some sort of inspiration for the rest of us.

Memo to Mark. Violent movies are specifically engineered to appeal to young immature males, the very demographic that every society has the most trouble with. Of course these movies spout anti social messages, because the producers know that this is what the kids want to hear. The problem is, that although many young men are mature enough to see these messages as entertainment, some are going to consider them scripts on how they should live.

So if you think that teaching societies most troubled and dysfunctional young men that engaging in macho and violent behaviour is the best way to display their frustrations with their own condition, then don't be surprised if some dumb schmuck walks up to you one day and just punches you in the face because he took the philosophies of "Fight Club" seriously.

I know that you hate it Mark, but people in western societies have a right to "pursue happiness" anyway they see fit. If you think that poverty is uplifting and noble, and the consumer society is "empty", how come you are living in Melbourne and not in Greece? If you sprouted this nonsense to a young, poor Greek man dreaming of immigrating to Australia, he would think that you were crazy. Lefties were once upset because the majority of workers were poor and they lived miserable lives. Now the lefties are upset because the workers are doing alright and they are happy. You just can't win with lefties. No matter what happens, all they do is whine.

You know what your problem is, Mark? You have a compulsive need to think that you are better than everybody else, and you are hanging out with the wrong sorts of people who think the same way. Grow up
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 9 June 2017 6:18:11 PM
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Here is another spray, Mark.

The reason why young Muslim men in western societies want to be Jihadis is not because they are bored and looking for excitement. It is because they are members of a violent, totally intolerant, misogynistic and homophobic religion. The Islamic religion is the only religion in the world who's holy scriptures instruct Muslims to spread the religion through violence and terror. It is a religion who's God tells Muslims that non Muslims are untermenschen that he has "made out of base matter." It is a religion who's God instructs Muslims to kill, terrorise, mutilate, and humiliate non believers "until they embrace Allah." It is a religion which glorifies being a Jihadi fighting for God. It glorifies every Ghazi who has killed an infidel. Reward yourself. Kill infidels, Take the infidels property. Turn their women into sex slaves and make them breed Muslims. It is a religion for intellectually challenged misfits, criminals, rapists, and wife beaters

And when some of their members do exactly as their God, prophet, and scriptures order them to do, people like yourself go into mental gymnastics trying to blame everybody and everything other than Islam for the problem. "Fight Club"? Don't make me laugh.

Islam is a dangerous religion. The western world should never have imported these people in the first place as they are probably unassimilatable and will be a serious problem within our societies from now until eternity. The Christian Philippinos have been fighting them for hundreds of years and they are still attacking Philippinos of every religion and killing them.

People like yourself think that anyone from some Muslim craphole (which is a craphole because it is Muslim) has a "right" to just barge into our country and head straight to Centrelink. Of course Muslims have trouble fitting in. Their value system is diametrically opposed to our own, and their religion demands that they keep themselves aloof from non believers. Add multiculturalism, which encourages them to maintain their social separation and their bizarre homicidal anti social values, and they are never going to integrate.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 10 June 2017 6:08:55 AM
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It is true that Western civilisation does not provide any positive content - but it doesn't deny it either. Each one of us is responsible for our own life and can choose whether to remain comfortable, mediocre and apathetic or to fill one's life with some positive meaning. Indeed, many have.

By all means, Start a fight, Prove you're alive - call it 'Jihad' if that inspires you, but fight your own mental daemons, not other people.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 10 June 2017 10:08:29 PM
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