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Reviving Israeli-Palestinian talks now will go nowhere : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 19/5/2017

Trump's over-simplification of the conflict suggests he has no clue about what it would take to make peace and why the mere resumption of peace talks is dead on arrival.

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The pro palestinian bleeding hearts constantly exhort Israel to take action such as reducing its security, and conceding land without applying any pressure on Hamas to forgo its attacks on Israel or even recognise the right of Israel to exist.

There is no security action that Israel has taken that is not in response to hostile action from the Palestinians, and if there is to be any movement then Hamas needs to be subject at least to the same scrutiny that Israel is.

The fact that the plight of the Arabs in Gaza is more to do with their treatment by Hamas than Israel.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 22 May 2017 12:52:59 PM
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I wonder what would happen if all the countries and organisations surrounding Israel stated their acceptance of the rights of Israelis to live in peace and their acceptance of the right of Israel to exist?

Given Israel's technological and manufacturing skills, I reckon that not only would there be peace but the standard of living of all involved would be higher.

As I see it, the existence of the state of Israel serves the leaders of the millions around it as a convenient way of distracting attention from the incompetent, sectarian kleprocrats leading those millions.
Posted by Brian of Buderim, Monday, 22 May 2017 1:12:29 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

As cited many times in the past -

" The Kadima vision is of a concrete wall, with Jews
on one side and as many Arabs as possible on the other.
Sooner or later, Israel and the Palestinians will have to
meet face-to-face, listen to each other's grievances and
negotiate with honesty. Only then - and on the conditions
that BOTH Israel and Palestinian state achieve safety and
security - will this conflict be resolved. Neither side
has a monopoly on suffering, but only ONE party has the
power to end the occupation and to recognise that Israel
and Palestine are historically destined to share the same
homeland."
(Antony Loewenstein).
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 May 2017 3:58:44 PM
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Foxy,

You do keep quoting the same text with capitals included. What it includes is a bit of fact a bit of fiction finished off with a swirl of AL's opinion.

1 "The Kadima vision is of a concrete wall, with Jews on one side and as many Arabs as possible on the other." a bit of AL's opinion. The wall is a necessary evil. The number of terrorist incursions has dropped off sharply after the installation of the walls.

2."Sooner or later, Israel and the Palestinians will have to meet face-to-face, listen to each other's grievances and negotiate with honesty." True, applies equally to both parties.

3 "Neither side has a monopoly on suffering, but only ONE party has the power to end the occupation.." True, but only one party has the power to stop unprovoked rocket and terrorist attacks. Again both parties have to give ground.

4 "...and to recognise that Israel and Palestine are historically destined to share the same homeland." False both parties need to recognise this starting with Hamas who as yet refuses to recognise Israel.

The PLO and Hamas have to recognise that Israel is only going to release any occupied territory in exchange for concessions. The precondition that the Arabs have set that Israel withdraws completely will simply mean that nothing happens.

Maybe it will take another 50 years.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 3:47:50 PM
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“...There is no security action that Israel has taken that is not in response to hostile action from the Palestinians..”

The first Intifada is yet another example of an 122 year old Zionist quest to subjugate Palestine. They have zero intention of negotiating a fair and just peace deal with the Palestinians. With the PLO neutralised and its leadership exiled far away in Tunis, with Hamas still in its embryonic stage, how did the Israelis deal with this civilian led campaign of civil disobedience? Did it attempt to negotiate with the Unified Leadership of the Uprising, (UNLU)? No it did not. First live ammunition; after international outrage then broken bones; after more international outrage then rubber bullets. There was no security threat from a civilian uprising emanating from the constant oppression of an occupying force. It was a chance to forge a new beginning with a new generation of leaders. It was a chance smashed by an iron fist. Israel, the 21st century Soviets, even down to building a wall.
Posted by Anti-Colonial, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 9:03:05 AM
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What no one takes into account is the text in the Koran.
It calls on the faithful to slaughter the Jews.
Unless Islam can alter those chapters calling for the death of the Jews
and the Palestinians accept those changes to the Koran, then there is nothing to be said.

It is blasphemy to even suggest a change and is punishable by death.
It is the word of Allah and is unchangeable.
There is absolutely NOTHING to be done until those changes are made.
So it is not surprising that agreement is impossible to achieve.

If you were Jewish how can you come to agreement with someone who is
commanded to kill you and your family, and indeed does do so ?
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 27 May 2017 12:12:39 PM
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