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It shouldn’t be Australia’s job to liberalise Muslims : Comments

By Gary Johns, published 26/4/2017

The struggle over the soul of Islam in Australia is taking place in the mosques, in the universities and in public life.

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grateful

you are right to point out the putriedness of Western values since trashing Christianity that made the West so great. Unfortunately socialist ideology has hijacked our education and political system. Feminist and homosexuals have constantly legislated to destroy the family unit. Islam now uses these characters as useful idiots.I can understand how many mulsims must be repulsed by safe schools and perversion that is promoted by our so called élite. They are not the only ones. For years Fred Nile had urine thrown at him by the 'gay'lobby. Now they make a huge deal out of one of their promoters getting a pie in the face. While I don't condone the man's actions it is easy to understand.
Posted by runner, Friday, 12 May 2017 4:08:24 PM
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"Notorious US white supremacist Mike Enoch has announced plans to visit Australia as local nationalist group The Dingoes claim him as a speaker at their upcoming Sydney conference. 
The Dingoes, who identify themselves as Australian adherents of the "alt-right", run a podcast that has featured former opposition leader Mark Latham and federal Nationals MP George Christensen. " (SMH, "White supremacist leader Mike Enoch to visit Australia")

When I watch the first episode of "The World at War", which was on the rise of Hitler, I was struck by the similarity in the language that he and his supporters used to attack opponents and the language used by some of our right wing politicians and commentators.

What is going wrong?
Posted by grateful, Monday, 15 May 2017 9:36:01 AM
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Hi Grateful,

It's called 'freedom of expression', i.e. the right to express opinions with which other people may disagree, even the vilest opinions, such as seem to be associated with these groups. This is, of course, matched by the rights of other people not to like what they say and to mount counter-arguments. This shouldn't be so difficult against a bunch of neo-fascists.

It's important that we know what people wish to say, so that we can combat what we see as crap ideas. Obviously, one 'problem' in a formally democratic society such as Australia's is that it is up to others (ideally, everybody, but that's a bit unlikely) to defend what they see as their values, including the valuing of every other Australian from whatever ethnic background - that a healthy society requires constant invigoration and vigilance.

As an ex-Maoist, I was always taken by Mao's slogan 'Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a thousand schools contend' - of course, Mao used this to identify his enemies and exterminate them. But it's not a bad slogan for a healthy society.

Let extreme-right-wing ratbags express themselves - those on both sides of this particular ideological struggle. Let's see what they've got and ridicule it accordingly.

Of course, incitement is another matter entirely.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 15 May 2017 9:55:18 AM
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Grateful,
The reason the ME is in a mess is simple.
They have been marrying their cousins for thousands of years and have
seriously damaged their genome. It has damaged their IQ and is the
cause of their behaviour problems.
You will probably want to dispute this by referring to the moors in Spain.
You will find that they intermarried with the Jews and Spaniards.
The damage is so severe if they stop the practise now it will take
hundreds of years and many generations to fix it.
It amazes me that the breeders of horses and camels did not understand.
It appears that Mohammed said it was OK.

If you need info lookup NSW Parliament Hansard, Auburn Hospital
Geneticist’s report, House of Commons Midlands National Health
Authority Report on Pakistani Genetic defect rate.
Reports by a Danish doctor on moslem genetic defects, his name
something like Gelling.

This is the root cause of the problems everyone has been having with
moslems for hundreds of years. I know it is not PC but it is one of
the cruelist things you can do to a child.

Perhaps you might realise now that there is no easy fix to accepting
Islam and while not many people understand their problem they show
no intent on stopping the practise although in the UK there is a group
of women who have formed an association. However the Immans are
saying it is unislamic to prevent cousin marriage.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 15 May 2017 4:19:38 PM
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Joe,
I understand where you're coming from. I'm all for a society which allows a range of views to be aired and critiqued. Unfortunately, I believe we are heading in the opposite direction. Much of what passes for "freedom of expression" is personal abuse and very little relates to critiquing ideas, presenting the evidence and forming an opinion based on the soundness of the argument.

The far right, including the likes of Dutton, view "freedom of expression" of a right reserved for white Anglos. For the rest of us it is treated more of a "privilege" so kindly shared to the extent we don't get to uppity or say things that shouldn't be said.

Evidence:

On the same day ABC presenter Yassmin Abdel-Magied was attacked for a Facebook post invoking the phrase "Lest We Forget", Dr Anderson described Anzac Day as celebrating "the failures of our collaboration in imperial war". (‘Sydney University lecturer used Anzac Day to accuse Australian soldiers of murder’, SMH, April 28) .

Unlike Ms Abdel-Magied, Tim Anderson, is employed full-time with taxpayer funds, made remarks that directly attacked the Anzac legacy, has not offered apology, nor has he been expected to, and has not earned the rebuke of the ‘true blue’ brigade.

What is the meaning of "true blue"? Watch the video clip to the John Williamson rendition of the song. It's good old Anglo/white Australia with a token black-fella looking so contented and cheerfully smiling at the end of clip.
Posted by grateful, Thursday, 25 May 2017 11:20:34 PM
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Grateful, I and I suspect most others never heard of the doctors comment.
Anyway, you have it 180 deg backwards.
It is the left which is abusive and tries to stop free speech.
So don't just waffle your way through that.
The left are socialists as were the National Socialists abbreviated
from the German as Nazis. It stands for National Socialist Party.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 25 May 2017 11:42:28 PM
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