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It shouldn’t be Australia’s job to liberalise Muslims : Comments

By Gary Johns, published 26/4/2017

The struggle over the soul of Islam in Australia is taking place in the mosques, in the universities and in public life.

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We shouldn't be surprised that the ABC has not deemed it necessary to expand Australian's vocabulary by continually, persistently, reinforcing the correct usage of the word, Theocracy, instead employing the incorrect usage of the term Religion, to describe Islam.

Naturally our ABC zealot, drones couldn't resist teaching us other terms such as xenophobia, and all the other newly discovered cultural phobias with the prescribed exception of hoplophobia,of course.

Not MY ABC needs its wings clipped.
Posted by Cowboy Joe, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 1:42:55 PM
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“With respect to Islam, the problem we almost invariably find is that they have left the religion, no longer believe in it, but are unable to tell their family and friends for fear of ostracism and retribution.”

This is the fundamental problem for Muslims. They become Muslims because their families teach them that Islam is the way to deal with any problems you may have in life. If Muslims in Australia see that there are other more practical and more successful ways to deal with problems they naturally want to embrace those ways. Embracing those ways is a direct affront to their families who do not want to let go of their dependence on Islamic methods of dealing with problems. If Islam is not the best way then it calls into question their whole life. Could it be true that life does not have to be as full of problems as they have always thought?

This adjustment and its concomitant resentment is too much for older Muslims to bear and so they bury their head in the sand and reject any family member who threatens their denial.

People who want to leave Islam need help to detach themselves from the toxic control in these family relationships and this is where western civilisations should be helping. We have ways based on proven methods to help people gain their emotional independence. This is available to all peoples regardless of the basis on which such dependence is founded.

It is not about us solving the Islamic problem – it is about us offering our help to solve a human problem that everyone experiences to a more or lesser extent. We should be extending a helping hand not with intent to destroy Islam but because it is just something that western societies have matured enough to do for any of its citizens who require it.

Islam will go the way of all religions when younger Muslims find no use for it.
Posted by phanto, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 10:15:21 PM
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Dear phanto,

Brilliant analysis.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 10:59:14 PM
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The only effective and humane way to disempower Islam is to educate, usefully employ, and extend human rights to people who currently believe in it. This is exactly what has happened to Christianity, with the result that it is no longer capable of doing significant damage in most nations across the West. And since this coincides with what any democratic government should be doing for its citizens anyway, there's no conflict of interest for the Australian government in doing exactly that.
Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 27 April 2017 6:52:56 AM
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Jon J:

“The only effective and humane way to disempower Islam is to educate, usefully employ, and extend human rights to people who currently believe in it.”

What if they do not want those things? You cannot force people to be educated, usefully employed or to take up human rights. They see no value in those things. Education is unnecessary because the Koran is all you need to get you through life. The only useful employment is that which gives them the necessities of life in order to carry out the mission of Islam. Human rights do not matter because everything will be evened out when they get to heaven.

They have to want what the West has but they see no need for it.
Posted by phanto, Thursday, 27 April 2017 8:30:55 AM
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It's their job to integrate into the country they are coming into.
It's not the countries job to integrate into where they came from.

If they don't like it they should go back to where they bloody well came from.
And if they can't get the message we should shut the door on the lot of them.

I won't accept one single Australian forced to suffer as a valid price we should pay for other peoples ideals of multiculturalism, or to put immigrants rights in this country above our own citizens safety.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 27 April 2017 11:39:45 AM
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