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Tony Abbott defines the new conservatism : Comments

By Peter Bowden, published 20/3/2017

It implies that the immigration intake into Australia creates a housing demand which is raising house prices.

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Well, of course a Left wing ideolog like Bowden would say ..these new right wing objectives have not been in the best interests of this country. They obey the agenda only of far right wing politicians.

Is he expecting us to believe that his beloved left wing objectives are very much in the best interests of this country, and they do not merely 'obey' the the agenda of 'left wing politicians? Phooey! For an old man, he is certainly nave. He knows nothing. Right wing inclined voters will require right wing politicians to look after their interests, left wing voters will do the same with their choices. Somewhere in there, the good of the country has to figure, but Bowen is suggesting that this would happen only with the Left. History has proved him to be entirely wrong on that score!

He has been proved wrong time and time again on his claim that high immigration does not increase house prices and, in fact, increases the cost of living of the native population in general. Yet, he blathers on, advertising ignorance as a virtue!

I realise that it must be difficult to get good contributors. But Peter Bowden is a thorough menace of misinformation.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 20 March 2017 9:48:39 AM
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Tony Abbott a conservative to the very bone in every true sense of the word, with only his acceptance of the NDIS exposing the conservative Christian progressive hiding within?

I get that a bigger pie is the way to improve the common lot. And just not doable with a quite deliberately created smaller pie, with larger slices cut off for the most privileged; in the forlorn hope that they will share with the less fortunate!

And the very disgraced trickle down theory, that turned a post war period of post war prosperity on its head, to ultimately culminate in the GFC!

There is a way forward, just not his way, but rather, with a return to those fundamentals, we had when we were the third wealthiest nation on the planet, and a creditor one at that! Some of which include, the roll out of widespread Commision housing, Public not for profit essential services, deprivatized public power generation and reticulation; and a people's bank. We used to have a telco and airline, the latter with the very best safety record in the world! [When pragmatists last ran this country]. And in danger of being trashed by the myopically focused on, profit curve.

Thorium power in public hands or competing cooperatives, linked to new space age desalination rolled out as publically funded projects, will massively grow the economy and jobs, plus keep all the profits plus all tax liabilities right here at home!

Where they can assist with the usual flow on factor that sees one dollar doing the work of seven, in turbocharging a reactivated booming economy, positioned to take full advantage of the next boom, the food boom!

All affordable with the creation of popular elsewhere, just never ever tried here, for (ideological) reasons that simply escape me, self terminating 30 year bonds that offset comparatively modest returns, with a government guarantee and a tax free status on the income.

After all we have over two trillion in our own super fund just looking for visionary nation building projects to invest in!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 20 March 2017 10:25:01 AM
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Well, along with reduced immigration, there also needs to be tariffs on imports to make manufacturing more competitive, thusly increasing the birthrate about 3 fold to where a sustainable society needs it to be. It's actually amazing to think how much fun it would be to live in hopeful place for a change.
Posted by progressive pat, Monday, 20 March 2017 10:58:30 AM
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Tony Abbott's energy policy puts, I believe the needs of debt laden, foreign speculative energy investors ahead of the economy, which then becomes a second order issue?

Instead of one of the two foundational pillars that support ours and indeed every western style economy! The other one being capital!

Any discussion on energy and our future needs that just doesn't include nuclear, is not only fundamentally flawed but captive to, rank ideological imperatives!

Nobody with half a brain is going to invest in coal but may invite a tarriff regime based on the carbon footprint! And easily avoidable if our energy future is #1/ carbon free and #2/ clean safe and cheap. With the cheapest energy option supporting the most competitive production or processing in a future world of mostly Automated production!

And a world where nothing is exported raw, but with considerable value adding! And an essential if we are to pay everyone a social wage! Or just replicate third world countries, which may soon be competing for arable ground and water?

You don't have to be a hard right conservative to just focus on white-anting those same support pillars, without being able to imagine the foreseeable extremely negative consequences, but it has to help?

Conversely, progressive conservatives are not only true entrepreneurs in every sense of the word, but pragmatists into the bargain who understand that these support pillars cannot wind up in monopolistic foreign controlling hands; but are either socialized for the social and superior economic benefits that that paradigm alone confers, especially on the remaining bulk of the capital risking private sector!

Or rolled out as government financed, supported and facilitated, competing for market share cooperatives and for the aforementioned reasons/pragmatic/superior economic objectives! Alan B
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 20 March 2017 12:08:00 PM
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Applied "conservative" politics & "culture" 101.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~spanmod/mural/panel13.html
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~spanmod/mural/panel21.html
http://www.logosjournal.com/hammer_kellner.htm

The philosophies proposed by both scientism and conventional exoteric "religion" are neurotic psychologies grounded in fear, misunderstanding, recoil, alienation, horror and death.

With very rare exception all human beings are now dwelling in a separative and self-destructive mode. This is why human life on Earth suffers its present complexion as described below.

The entire pattern and trend of current human culture (or what remains of it), including scientific materialism, all modes of false reductionist philosophy, and everything relating to the current domain of ego-based consumer politics, social egoity, competitive social systems, tribalistic national systems, un-regulated economics, and conventional exoteric institutional "religion", is about death.

The Earth-world and all of the global human domain have already collapsed far enough. If the pattern of the whole collapses much further, the human life-sphere will not be retrievable.

The calamity that everyone fears has already happened.The old "order" which was only ever workable up to a very limited point is now thoroughly dead. And as such, the now obsolete "order" only serves to perpetuate the calamity, while simultaneously preventing the necessary emergence of something entirely new.

Strangely enough all of the usual "conservative" suspects are fully committed to the perpetuation of this now universal psychosis, even claiming that this is a "no-other-way" cultural imperative.

And of the Trumpenfuhrer and his denizens from the dark depths of the swamp are fully committed to ramping up at turbo-speed this "culture" of death.

All human beings are defined, patterned and controlled by everything that is presumed to be "objective" to them and everything that they have not transcended.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 20 March 2017 1:49:05 PM
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The cost of housing lies in a few supply side fundamentals and little else! Starting with rationed rezoned urban land that instead of being developed is banked while unearned capital accumulates in a risk free paradigm! And exacerbated by front end loading of state tax impositions! Imposed in the mistaken/diabolically dumb belief, this will provide a superior funding model for state revenue streams! And a quite deliberate failure to decentralize!

Anyone doubting this and the rationale, need look no further than the reported widespread corruption and backhanders allegedly proffered for this or that city centric development approval?

And the quite telling failure to roll out timely rapid rail as part of decades overdue, nation building.

Front end loading needs to be replaced with a capital gains tax adjusted for inflation to return residential housing to the area of shelter as a basic human right!

Capitalism is founded on the idea of risk, not safe as houses investments that have to grow massively and disproportionately when compared to wages growth!

Housing shouldn't have devolved, with the help and involvement of the political class, into an industry supporting all manner of parasites! Arguably the only ones cashing in on improved comparative values!

Home owners just get slugged with bigger insurance and maintenance bills, and ever higher replacement costs, which can and does lever some folks out of the market, if they wait too long to get back in after selling!

The term market needs to be replaced with supply with regard to essential services , water, gas electricity and residential housing!

None of which should have ever been allowed to grow into bonanzas for all manner of middlemen profit takers/ brokerage barons, placing themselves between the supplier and the consumer for a maximised unearned risk free profit. Word limits fail me!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 20 March 2017 4:38:57 PM
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I doubt that Abbott defines a new conservatism. Rather at most one aspect of the fracturing of the traditional big parties as they fail to deliver on meeting the needs of a whole lot of disparate groupings.

From what I can see it's happening in one way or another to the national variants of the big two across the western world.

Abbott and his version of conservatism appeals to some but repulses others who might in some ways call themselves conservatives.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Monday, 20 March 2017 5:35:43 PM
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You have how many trillion your super fund??
Posted by ateday, Monday, 20 March 2017 5:37:36 PM
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It is just amazing how old socialists like Peter Bowden can ignore the fact that socialism failed everywhere it was tried, and that they can still blather on about reinstituting a demonstrably failed system. It is as if the Berlin Wall and Gorbachov had never existed, and socialism had never been thrown "on the scrapheap of history", to quote President Reagan.

I can only conclude that there are people in this world who are dream of how wonderful the world was under the Politburo, when the scummy Deplorables did what they were told. Or else. They love totalitarianism and they despise democracy. They hate free speech and think that the government should regulate what people say, write, or draw. No politically incorrect jokes or it's "re-education" for you. They want a command economy where prosperity can be whistled up by decree. They seem to think that they are a class apart, the "intelligent ones", who are the only ones who can se clearly how everything must be done. Strangely, their "solutions" to modern problems consist of repeating the mistakes of the past. Just one more five year plan, comrades. this time it will work for sure.

To Peter. Human induced global warming is a crock. All it has done is increase consumer power bills to the extent that manufacturing business's are continuing to fleeing Australia, and no sane elector could ever vote for Labor, unless they want a see themselves in a situation like South Australia. That importing 200,000 to 300,000 people into Australia every year will create extreme shortages of accommodation is something even a socialist should be able to understand. With a bit of coaching the should be able to understand it, anyway.

The Human Rights Commission is out of control and it now performs political censorship worthy of the KGB. Perhaps you dream of state censorship of free speech, but intelligent people do not. You are losing the youth, and losing the real intelligentsia.

The times, they are, a changin', Peter. You have now become the very totalitarian you once angrily denounced in your youth
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 20 March 2017 6:15:43 PM
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Housing is scarce and unaffordable because building of state housing has been neglected for so long that many people have forgotten what it is.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 20 March 2017 9:40:32 PM
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Abbott is not your regular politician, As Keating warned twenty years ago. Abbott is a monk reject. And has no credability at all. His final performance was to run an election on lies, which he won .. But the man was proved to be a fraud by populararity. So no mater what he says it can not be, taken as truth. He is a proven liar by populous.
To even suggest he can define anything is probably a lie.
Posted by doog, Monday, 20 March 2017 11:10:10 PM
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To Emperor Julian.

When I was 9 years old, my mother, who was a single working mother, rented a room from pensioners because it was all we could afford. I slept in the same single bed with my mother. She was assessed by the Housing Commission inspector as being "most in need." But we waited 6 years to get a Housing Commission flat in a block of 84 units. Our total furniture was, 1 black and white TV, a folding card table, and an ironing board. We slept on the concrete floor rolled up in blankets and thought we were in heaven.

When we moved in, the people next door were an elderly, cashed up British couple who had recently immigrated to Australia (and went straight onto the old age pension). They had waited only two years. I will never forget what my mother said to me after she met them. "The bloody government thinks more about migrants than they do their own people."

And that is the charge I level at you and Peter Bowden.

Peter thinks it is just wonderful that 40,000 largely useless and unassimilable "refugees" arrived during Rudd The Duds tenure, and tens of thousands have flooded in ever since. He is more interested inn pleasing Jesus Christ with his compassion and therefore getting his ticket punched for heaven, than he does about helping poor working Australians, who are poor through circumstance.

My old block of flats where I once lived is now chock a block full of foreigners and it has become a dangerous place. The Aussies who can flee have fled. What is the sense in Australian taxpayers spending horrendous amounts of money on public housing, only to fill them up with foreigners who have not contributed a penny for the common good? And, who seem hostile to Australians, and simply create more social problems that the taxpayer needs to fix? Perhaps you and Peter envision a prison led economic recovery, with ever more jobs for social welfare employees, police, prison guards, judges, and anti terrorism SWAT teams?
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 7:26:38 AM
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Lego writes: "What is the sense in Australian taxpayers spending horrendous amounts of money on public housing, only to fill them up with foreigners who have not contributed a penny for the common good? And, who seem hostile to Australians, and simply create more social problems that the taxpayer needs to fix? Perhaps you and Peter envision a prison led economic recovery, with ever more jobs for social welfare employees, police, prison guards, judges, and anti terrorism SWAT teams?"

That's known in intelligent circles as a straw man - set it up to knock it down. Having called it out I'll circumvent it:

No, fill them up with Australians and especially not with Moslems whose holy books instruct them to hate our guts.

And no, I dunno about Peter but the prison led economy is a straw man within a straw man.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 2:02:26 PM
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'Turnbulls only hope of survival is to stop catering to his conservative right wing,

you actually mean Peter that he should become a lying thieving leftie by following his backstabbing of Abbott with pooping on the promises not to reopen borders, encourage perversion to replace marriage and introduce a thieving carbon tax. Have not you lefties heard of truth or do you only twist it to suite your narrative as the gw alarmist have become experts at doing.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 4:12:17 PM
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