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Warped welfare wailing : Comments

By Everald Compton, published 12/1/2017

The concept of basic income is not really original. Finland is giving it a trial run in one of its regions and Scotland will do so this year in two of its counties.

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Perhaps we should focus less on people getting something for nothing and ensure we get a return for our hard earned.
Druggies should get free drugs dependant on birth control so reducing their numbers and costs. Big criminal costs reduced and less drones produced.
Community assistance required but given proper respect for people cleaning up our towns and bush and helping the aged etc.
If we paid more "Welfare" it would be spent immediately which would rev up the economy.
We are stuck with these problems but the reluctance to address them is startling!
Posted by JBowyer, Thursday, 12 January 2017 11:18:46 AM
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The destiny of demography compels real not Clayton's tax reform! That tax reform will return equity and fairness! Not an unreasonable directive for our alleged representatives surely? and if simplified to the point of genuine transparency! Avoidance made virtually impossible? With an upside of the complete negation of tax compliance costs, currently ripping an averaged reported 7% from the averaged bottom line?

The least complex or avoidable, being an expenditure tax taken as money exists bank accounts? And in a fee free electronic transferred electronically overnight to the ATO, (the price of an approved banking licence) that no longer needs costly time consuming reconciliation before being available to consolidated revenue!

Moreover, able to be microscopically adjusted up or down, region by region if required, to alone control any and all inflation or stagnation!

I would opt for an initial variable rate of 15-18% would be, and allowing for the return of former tax compliance costs, back to the average bottom line; an effective maximum (adjusted) 11% tax impost?

And enough revenue to completely eliminate any and all deficits for all time, with the "reclaimed waste", creating economy growing income earning infrastructure and a much, much bigger economic pie and resultant ever increasing tax revenue or gradually reduced tax imposts, maybe all the way down to 5%!?

After that and given intelligent leadership, more enlightened energy and water policies, more than maximize the gains!

There's always a better way for genuinely independent thinkers and leaders!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 12 January 2017 11:19:55 AM
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Everald Compton, well done.
As pointed out though, the welfare budget is towards $200bn pa.
This I would suggest, has been exacerbated by a domestic economy which is unsustainably overheated by Government policy, supporting the wealthy for profit end, and patching up the damage to the poorer end with an array of welfare payments.

If living in Australia was anywhere near affordably possible without a welfare dependence, it would be universally and willingly accepted. A good start would be a designed Government policy which gave all young families a genuine start in owning their own homes.
This would be morale boosting and inclusive. Not as it is, demoralising and exclusive!

Priority must be given to Australian citizens in the job market. Instead, Goverment policy has been used as a tool against its citizens, giving licence to abuse visa constraints to business, with a direct intention of reducing wages, and adding to the welfare burden.

If people are given encouragement and opportunity to be as self supporting as possible, that will happen.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 12 January 2017 11:42:13 AM
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Alan B.

Yep to that, but changes to tax regimes does not address welfare dependency.
That is a structural economic problem!
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 12 January 2017 11:49:49 AM
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An unavoidable expenditure tax, taken as a stand alone and the only tax, would do a number of things?

One of which would be the return of equity and fairness, the end of any and all bracket creep!

And end the systemic avoidance by our biggest avoiders, who need to use our banking system to repatriate currently non-taxed profits/divert taxable income?

One of the ultra-sharp practices that this ultra-simple unavoidable measure would also eliminate, is the same sum of money chasing its tail through several subsidiaries, in order to create ghost or phantom money trails/accounts/expenditure, to fool the A.T.O., or money stumping financiers?

It would make a nonsense of transferring money to tax havens, given no tax would be avoided and the fee and charges applied by the compliant state would still apply! Meaning only numskulls would choose this route!

And the very reason on both counts for the predicted risible confected outrage! By the pigs at this particular trough, suddenly having their endless gravy train removed or dismantled!?

And you won't have to wait long for all sorts of spurious claims to emerge! Like that's a turnover tax that might kill business etc/etc?

Even though the actual effect, would be a much less tax impost on any and all well managed and viable business! But not over-valued over-leveraged, mismanaged ones! That day has gone!

I'd druther a return to co-ops and supporting floor prices, than allow this viable family farm destroying risible rubbish to continue!

I've seen enough farm suicides and enough sold up farm enterprises for two lifetimes! Support strategies through drought assistance etc should come as grants/drought proofing and supporting welfare, rather than debt and bankers/auctioneers/debt laden foreign investors, waxing fat on other folk's misery/ill-fortune!

It really is time for change we can all believe and unite behind, as one nation!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 12 January 2017 12:17:03 PM
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The authors list
CTC. Yes, they do get away with not paying as much tax as perhaps they should, however, if one taxes into account the revenue they generate, the numbers are not so bad. Also remember they are working in an environment that is ridiculously over governed and ridiculously expensive.

NG. Not one opponent of NG can answer this simple question, Where will the renters live? Perhaps you can.

DA. The generators are only supplying to the demand. Tax the user and you will see consumption plummet.

Defence, agree.

Super, not so sure.

Public service, spot on.

Over governed, most definitely.

Last one, the libs are dealing with a mess they didn’t create and NO ONE should be allowed in to this country through the back door. NO ONE!
Posted by rehctub, Thursday, 12 January 2017 12:55:27 PM
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