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‘Global warming’ or 'climate change'? : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 27/10/2016

The only link that I could find at about that time was, paradoxically, the opposite of what I had remembered.

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Max, the school dunce.
I know you have no science to show a measurable human effect on climate, so do not go to all that trouble to try to distract from the fact that you are a fraud promoter, with no science.
Here is what a real scientist said:”. The issue is not "is climate change happening", for it always is and always has. Nor is it about whether carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas or not, because all scientists agree that it is.
Rather, the key question concerns the magnitude of warming caused by the rather small 7 billion tonnes of industrial carbon dioxide that enter the atmosphere each year, compared with the natural flows from land and sea of over 200 billion tonnes.
Despite well over twenty years of study by thousands of scientists, and the expenditure of more than $100 billion in research money, an accurate quantitative answer to this question remains unknown."...

"Importantly, no global warming has now occurred since 1997, despite an increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide of 8%, which in turn represents 34% of all the extra human-related carbon dioxide contributed since the industrial revolution.
Few of these facts are new, yet until recently the public have been relentlessly misinformed that human-caused global warming was causing polar bears to die out, more and more intense storms, droughts and floods to occur, the monsoons to fail, sea-level rise to accelerate, ice to melt at unnatural rates, that late 20th century temperature was warmer than ever before and that speculative computer models could predict the temperature accurately one hundred years into the future.
It now turns out that not one of these assertions is true”
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/report-gives-the-truth-about-climate-at-last/story-fni0cwl5-1226720428390

Max, you should wait until you have left school, before attempting to post on the Forum.
Posted by Leo Lane, Monday, 31 October 2016 4:03:45 PM
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Leo Lane - Listen to our ABC they said that this year is on track to be the hottest ever! Not only that but 15 of the last 16 years have been the hottest ever? Have a think even if the temperature went up by only 0.1 per cent then it would have to have gone up by 1.5 degrees over this time. No answer that I have heard to that one.
All this "Science", what? Surely they give where the measurements are taken from and the "ACTUAL" measurement so it can be verified? Peer review is OK as long as the other bloke is not getting a fat bribe from that US idiot running Clinton's election campaign.
Posted by JBowyer, Monday, 31 October 2016 4:31:21 PM
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JBowyer.
Thanks, but the fraud promoters claim every year to be “hottest on record”, until someone promotes the truth. It is a ploy which fools a lot of the gullible.
“Any temperature claim of “hottest year” based on surface data is based on hundredths of a degree hotter than previous “hottest years”. This immeasurable difference is not even within the margin of error of temperature gauges. The claim of the “hottest year” is simply a political statement not based on temperature facts. “Hottest year” claims are based on minute fractions of a degree while ignoring satellite data showing Earth is continuing the 18 plus year ‘pause’ or ‘standstill’. See: The Great Pause lengthens again: Global temperature update: The Pause is now 18 years 3 months (219 months)”
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/01/16/scientists-balk-at-hottest-year-claims-we-are-arguing-over-the-significance-of-hundredths-of-a-degree-the-pause-continues/
Posted by Leo Lane, Monday, 31 October 2016 10:10:02 PM
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Leo

The cryosphere is in a bad state at both Poles.
The volume of sea ice when measured in September is about 75% less than it was in 1979.
Islands off Siberia have permafrost thawing, and as a result major erosion is taking place. Clearly, these islands are not just near the border of the Arctic Circle.
In 2016 two ice breakers were able to travel all the way to the North Pole.
Please provide that reference you gave elsewhere about Arctic sea ice extent post the minimum, so we can all have a good laugh.
Concern has been expressed about the instability of ice sheets and glaciers of Western Antarctica.
Concern has been expressed about the rate of melting of glaciers in the Himalayas; and right around the Earth.

The "blob" has reappeared in the NE Pacific.
Oceans generally have been measured as being warm.
A number of coral reefs have been impacted; not just the GBR.
Rain bombs are happening around the globe giving credence to warm oceans and a warm atmosphere. A warm atmosphere is able to hold more water vapour.

Please provide evidence to show warmth has had no impact on the above occurrences.
Abuse is a clear signal you are not able to do so.
Posted by ant, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 7:09:45 AM
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Yes, flea, still posting irrelevant material, because there is no science to show any measurable human effect on climate.
Not much more that a fraud promoting unqualified ignoramus, like yourself, can do, is there?
Are you proposing any action, or do you just want to waste space on the forum?
Posted by Leo Lane, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 7:31:59 AM
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My comment about your Arctic reference in relation to another article may have been too cryptic; here is a graph displaying what's going on at present:

http://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

But, the important times are when maximum and minimum extents are created in April and September. Your reerence had drawn attention to rapid ice formation around 10 days after the minimum had been reached. It had not been a case of misrepreseting the data; but, simply showing a lack of understanding.
Posted by ant, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 7:58:48 AM
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