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Requiem for a failed electricity system : Comments

By Alan Moran, published 13/10/2016

Gradually the electricity price will rise to reflect the higher cost wind generation that is being substituted for the non-subsidised supplies.

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You're right SM, credibility is important, so let's examine a few things.

On the one hand, there is Derek Abbott, who has a BSc in physics and a PhD in electrical engineering and is a Chartered Engineer, as well as a Chartered Physicist and has been elected a Fellow of both the Institute of Physics and the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers. He's also a full Professor at a Group of 8 university that consistently appears in lists of the top 50 universities in the world in his field. He's also a Visiting Professor at 2 UK universities and has a peer-reveiewed publication list that is extremely extensive, across a wide variety of topics.

On the other hand, there are three anonymous trolls and some citations from a lobby group that calls itself the World Nuclear Association, which has a "mission" that includes:

"3: Nuclear Energy Communication

With a goal to increase global support for nuclear energy among key stakeholders, our role is to represent the nuclear industry’s interests where the energy debate is taking place. By coordinating on key messages with our partners, we deliver targeted information to decision-makers and influencers, including the media and international organisations that have an interest in energy-related issues."

http://www.world-nuclear.org/our-association/who-we-are/mission.aspx

On the gripping hand, we have my comment above:

"Well, off you go and look, SM. I'm sure that shopping around for congenial opinions is one of your core skills so I'll defer to your expertise on the subject."

And you wonder why I say you have a "shabby reputation"...
Posted by Craig Minns, Saturday, 15 October 2016 1:31:22 PM
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Craig,

When you don't get your way instead of debating the issues you resort to ad hominems, and you wonder why you have a reputation for deceit and self inflicted ignorance.

Let's compare sources, Firstly Dr Abbott has no qualifications in heavy current electrical engineering (CEng is chemical engineering) nor any experience whatsoever in power generation, or nuclear science. The paper he wrote has had no peer review and is essentially a mish mash of unsubstantiated rubbish.

On the other hand the World Nuclear Association has as members just about every industry involved in the nuclear cycle as well as access to the brightest minds in every field.

If you want to try other sources try https://www.iaea.org/ whose job it is to monitor nuclear activities and see if you can find a difference, instead of resorting to dishonest anti nuke activists.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 15 October 2016 3:07:40 PM
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SM, you brought up the issue of credibility, which was foolish, given that you have none.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18573#331034

"to claim that the negative reaction of the 3 most technically savvy posters gives it credibility is counterintuitive in the least" were your words, as can be readily checked.

CEng refers to the title of Chartered Engineer, which is a British qualification equivalent to our CPEng.

http://www.bcs.org/category/14957

It has nothing to do with chemical engineering, just as you have nothing to do with power engineering.

You also raised the issue of Prof Abbott's credibility

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18573#330995

"If you look hard enough you will find an academic that will espouse any point of view, and the measure of intelligence is the ability to think independently and verify claims."

And then you went looking for a paid lobbying organisation whose role is to promote nuclear power on behalf of the industry to give you an opinion you liked. The competence of the people involved is not at issue, but their stated goal of:

"[...] to increase global support for nuclear energy among key stakeholders, our role is to represent the nuclear industry’s interests where the energy debate is taking place."

shows that they are neither objective nor unbiased, which means that whatever is posted on their page should be treated as an advertisement, not a serious contribution to the discussion.

If you can't work that out for yourself, you're not just incompetent, you shouldn't be allowed outdoors without someone to hold your hand.

Now off you toddle, little Shallow Trollster, you've wasted enough of everyone's time.
Posted by Craig Minns, Saturday, 15 October 2016 4:08:45 PM
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Craig,

You as an admitted liar on the site is the last one to lecture on credibility. Your frequent resorting to ad hominems makes you the worst troll on the site.

Secondly the WNA (world nuclear association) is set up to co ordinate co operation between all suppliers and users of nuclear technology. That it is pro nuclear energy is not surprising, but to write it off simply a lobby group is not only dishonest but intellectually feeble as well. Based on your record, you had to back down from all previous technical claims, and now prefer to deal with ad hominems.

I have pointed out a series of clear and verifiable errors in the paper you linked to, I challenge you to look on the net and find out whether my claims or Abbott's claims are correct.

Here are two other independent sites that back up my claims:

https://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/n/nuclear-power-plant-world-wide.htm

http://www.nei.org/Knowledge-Center/Nuclear-Statistics/World-Statistics/Nuclear-Units-Under-Construction-Worldwide
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 15 October 2016 5:12:58 PM
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Cobber said;
What happened is SA is a great example about why a essential service
like power should not be privatized. And utter incompetence in a
public office should be a criminal offence.

If you want an example of the competence of the public service try this;
The NSW Railways has ordered a fleet of new carriages from Korea.
One problem, the carriages are 20 cm wider than the loading gauge.

Hmm, anyone wanting a job cutting 10 cm off many many stations ?
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 17 October 2016 2:49:18 PM
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