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Getting young people into work : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 8/8/2016

On the other hand, it is just 2.5% in Thailand, about 5% in Japan and 7% in Germany. The difference is not simply attributable to good luck.

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Despite all the suggestions the best way to motivate anyone to find a job, is to stop paying them not to work, because that's is whats happening now. Four unemployed couples living in one house brings in a small fortune, even more when kids are involved, more still when the scam the system.

The number one problem is 'cash', always has been and always will be.

Until we wake up to ourselves we are pissing into a fan.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 5:14:22 AM
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If there was dole only for the genuinely needy and infirm, working for low wages would be worth it. The dole is too easy to get. Families should take responsibility for unemployed youth. They did it while the kids were at school. Suddenly they can't do it any longer?

And who is going to 'create economic conditions that will create jobs'? Not governments. They are always going to create 'thousands of jobs', raiding the public purse on that pretext. What happens? Sweet BA, is what happens. Only the private sector can create jobs, and they are not going to do it if there is no economic reason for them to do so. Australians are over-paid and underskilled - those who actually want to work, that that is. Then there is the growing number who do not wish to work, and never will work while the dole is available.

As for more immigration forget it. It is a statistical fact that high immigration reduces the individual wealth of all.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 11:44:01 AM
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"However, when it comes to paid work, it is illegal to work and be paid less than the minimum wage. This is $12.10 at18, $14.60 at 19, $17.30 at 20 and $17.70 if 21 or older. For casuals, it's over $22."

That's true, but there are work opportunities out there that do not fit that criteria, one of them is known from this link > http://www.bepaidtowalk.com.au/

I do some of this work, and I guarantee its no where near the minimum award rate per hour purely because of the nature of the work. I have payslips to verify this. But they get away with freely advertising it here in Australia.
According to the dept of human services, its known as "piece meal" work. Been going on for years already.
Its what the unemployed can do who are fed up having to live of a measly $536 per fortnight because they can't honestly find a job!
Trouble is it starts becoming very counterproductive once you hit the $100 a fortnight cap and starts eroding your Newstart allowance on sliding scale.

Maybe you and/or your senate colleagues could do something about this economically ridiculous $100 cap before Newstart allowance gets eroded. Kinda defeats the purpose of even participating in any form whatsoever in the labor market. So is any work better than no work??
Posted by Rojama, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 2:11:12 PM
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Even if one is being paid the measly rate that "paid to walk" work provides, does it not look favorable on one's resume when applying for jobs? It provides and impression to potential employees that one is not lazy!
Posted by Rojama, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 2:17:26 PM
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David is very right about one thing:

People who ask for nothing and accept nothing from the state, should never be told by the state how to conduct their private affairs and the contracts and transactions they arrange among themselves.
(but note that I am not referring to companies here because unlike individuals they beg the state for incorporation)

However, isn't money all that really matters for one who, despite all lofty ideology, is happy to accept a hefty salary and perks off our tax-money and then when it comes to crunch, when it is time to show leadership and represent the destitute people who elected him in their hour of need and despair, is willing to betray both them and his own conscience, cooperating instead with the regime in order to avoid a $180/day fine?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 7:11:21 PM
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The fundamental flaw in our pay system has always been in that one is paid for how long it takes to do a job, rather than how much work one gets done in an allotted time frame.

Some people are simply not worthy of the minimum wage.

As for getting them into work, you don't motivate people into the workforce by rewarding them to not work and there in lies the main problem. For a kid to go from zero to $250 per week is living the dream for many.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 8:29:22 PM
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