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What will the NT Royal Commission achieve? : Comments

By Brendan O'Reilly, published 28/7/2016

It is currently fashionable to blame the corrections system for high rates of Indigenous imprisonment and for destroying the childhood of those imprisoned. I take a different viewpoint.

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All the royal commission will achieve is to go soft on criminals so that they are free to commit more crime.
But that's okay because we all have to remember if someone commits a crime its our fault not theirs.

Australia has got to a place were the criminals have more rights ( and help) then their victims. We need Politicians with some balls that will say enough is enough. Stop feeding the lawyers and social workers your only making it worst.

Mandatory sentencing and three strikes and you're out.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Thursday, 28 July 2016 9:13:41 AM
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Perhaps if the left, inner-city champions for these little thugs were subjected to the actions of these little darlings, they would think differently. What will neighbours think? Well, most of our neighbors have come down harder on this kind of trash because the politicians there believe in law and order and protecting their society, unlike the likes of Turnbull. Our neighbours would see we need to do more to rid ourselves of scum.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 28 July 2016 11:25:09 AM
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Kids learn what they live! And in the case of young Mr Voller, its has been violence accompanied by worse rabid dog eat mad dog violence!

I'm not sure this young man could ever be rehabilitated, but his history would support a red hot try! And he and others like him would probably need to have their brain chemistry normalized by appropriate medication? Then he needs an opportunity to earn his chance for a far better life?

And that might be achieved in a very different environment far away from his usual cohorts, cadre and constant companions!

He would have to agree if he would earn a brand new start and a very different outcome, which would likely make him a leader and responsible for others and a far better outcome for them also!

And based on tough love, boot camp, survival training and simple but treasured reward, NONE OF WHICH CAN EVER INCLUDE DRUGS, TOBACCO OR ALCOHOL!

It's not a new idea and has been strikingly successful elsewhere. The other choice seems to be to simply lock them up, throw away the key and waste around %70,000.00 per restraining them in relatively humane conditions.

As always when we put folk in our prison system where we place hardened incorrigible criminals for them to learn from, we invariably return them to society as hardened criminals without any prospects, or anything left to lose?

When instead, at least some of them could be taught a useful trade plumbers, electricians, cabinet makers etc, or worthwhile professions that would allow them to be gainfully employed on the outside and a very badly needed circuit breaker!

Everyone deserves at least one fair dinkum and earned second chance! And a better outcome than simply outsourcing an abrogated responsibility that has added around $30,000.00 per towards the cost of housing individual offenders!

That same money would allow a properly resourced public system to actually teach young folk a useful trade!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 28 July 2016 12:23:34 PM
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As usual, its someone else's fault, but hang on, if this little darlings led a normal lifestyle and remained out of detention, the programme would have nothing to air.

The reality is that we as a society are now powerless to do anything as all the apology has achieved is to have placed our authorities on the back foot and they are merely spectators.

Take these kids away from their environment and we face another stolen generation backlash, leave them there and this is the result for many.

Sorry, but it's a lost cause unless someone is prepared to do what is required and ignore the do-gooders. That's highly unlikely to happen, especially with the current dud we have.
Posted by rehctub, Thursday, 28 July 2016 12:48:58 PM
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I'm going to get to the point quickly here because most folks today have 2 - 3 minute attention spans.

The problem with high rates of incarceration for indigenous is that their poor impulse control will always put them at risk of violating the nations criminal laws.
I'm saying this from first hand personal experience from past failed relationship with an indigenous woman and observations of her family members, combine that with this countries history of interactions with indigenous peoples and I think I've got a pretty good grasp on where they are coming from.

Now before I get labelled a racist, consider the fact that ALL human being behavior is influenced by genetics. However genes are not the be all and end all of human behavior patterns, but science has demonstrated via the topic of anthropology and obviously genetics it's self, that they are significant contributors to an individuals behavior patterns.

It's not the Australian indigenous peoples fault either, after all they were isolated from combining their gene pools with other races for 10's of thousands of years.

So what do we do about it? I don't have a solution, but I don't think we can have one set of laws for non indigenous and another for indigenous either.
Posted by Rojama, Thursday, 28 July 2016 1:13:12 PM
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Hi Rojama,

Look up the word "racist" in the dictionary. If the cap fits, wear it.
Posted by JBSH, Thursday, 28 July 2016 3:54:09 PM
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Rojama,

There is absolutely nothing you said that indicates that you are being 'racist'. Had you not yourself indicated that some people might consider that you are, the boofhead JBSH would not have come out of the woodwork with that school yard 'if the cap fits, wear it' nonsense. I doubt if he, she or it has ever owned a dictionary. The only definition of racism is a feeling of superiority. Anything else is a construct of the comrades. The fact you were married to an aboriginal lady clearly shows that you do not think that way. Perhaps the boofhead JBSH, did not read that bit. Some people become highly irrational at the sight of the words 'race' or 'racist'.

Good on you for sharing your personal experience in getting across your point. If we kept quite all the time for fear being called a racist, the comrades would win something they are not entitled to, neither through truth nor common sense.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 28 July 2016 4:18:00 PM
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Just to be clear. This is not "the NT Royal Commission".

It is Turnbull's Royal Commission. He personally owns it.

Whenever it happens it will cost a lot, produce recommendations which are not acted upon by the Turnbull government or whichever government is about to replace it, and will leave the problem of indigenous crime and dysfunction exactly where it is today.

If there was a solution to the mess it would have been put in place long ago. There isn't a solution because too many people refuse to accept that paying the dole and other such allowances to people who choose to live in places were industry and employment are impossible does not encourage any sort of change for the better.

The ABC, of course, and as usual, produced a propaganda film of which Leni Riefenstal would have been proud, full of imagery and devoid of context. The take-away message from the ABC: somebody should do something.

Now that's a great help, isn't it?
Posted by cato, Thursday, 28 July 2016 5:13:25 PM
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I believe Brendan presents a very balanced analysis of an extremely complex ongoing situation. As an ex-child protection officer in the NT & Qld I have worked with Aboriginal staff committed to help address the 'challenges' of dysfunctional communities, abusive parents, addictions, domestic violence, neglect, woeful fast food dietary reliance, Coke or sugar laced drinks replacing healthy water- resultant diabetes, kidney failure, lack of education because of little parental interest, chronic resultant generational unemployment, 'sit down welfare'and a new 'lost' generation to replaced the 'stolen generation' as kids are removed to Darwin to end up in gangs focussed on crime and addictions and the cycle repeats . . . The answers must include "Actions = Consequences" but it is easier for the problems to be swept under the political carpet and blame 'anyone instead of fixing the system'! If anyone wants to learn how the previous and current Aboriginal NT Chief Minister have ignored NT child protection law and not made a Katherine magistrate accountable for his unlawful decisions to order that an Aboriginal female infant be removed from the care of her Child Safety-approved Aboriginal aunt and be given to a non Aboriginal 'self titled' grandmother let me know via a post on this site and I'll send you full details - 'All it takes for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing.' Edmund Burke. Politicians need to be pressured to fix the rot and Aboriginal people need to accept it may start with them taking responsibility as well.
Posted by Citizens Initiated Action, Thursday, 28 July 2016 8:26:23 PM
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By setting up a royal commission, Malcolm Turnbull has grasped the opportunity to show that he means business in this new term. And his blinkered followers, such as journalist Nikki Savva, have been taken in and praised him for it.

But, ho-hum. This is a typical reaction of a government that does not know how to fix the problem, buys time by referring the problem to an inquiry, hopes that the inquiry recommends useful solutions, and then probably shelves the recommendations because they are found to be too difficult to implement.
Posted by Raycom, Friday, 29 July 2016 12:53:39 AM
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Rojama, while you are at it, also look up the word 'realism' because what you say is real and if speaking the truth is racist, then welcome to the club.

Paying up to $250 per week in cold hard, easily wasted cash to ANY dole RECIPIENT is simply ridiculous.

Can you imagine being a local indigenous kid, without love, possibly being abused, all of a sudden being handed this money on an ongoing basis.

The answer is so obvious, yet the PC brigade simply prevent a solution.

The truth is never easy, but it is the truth so we either except it, or continue burying our heads in the sand.

These kids are not there because they are model citizens, they are there for a very good reason.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 29 July 2016 10:16:06 AM
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Ahh, Cobber the hound trots out the usual 'soft on crime', 'criminals have more rights than victims' mantras and as usual absolutely nothing to substantiate that uninformed opinion. Try again Cobber.
Posted by minotaur, Monday, 1 August 2016 11:57:43 AM
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Rojama has provided one of the more ignorant and racist posts I've seen. One personal relationship failure and Rojama tars a whole diverse group of people with the one brush. Gobsmacking...and absurd. Rojama also displays a clear lack of knowledge about how Aboriginal people ensured genetic diversity. And obviously knows nothing about the interactions with Macassans. Nice of Rojama to make such a public display of racism and ignorance though.
Posted by minotaur, Monday, 1 August 2016 12:03:50 PM
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rehctub states 'The reality is that we as a society are now powerless to do anything as all the apology has achieved is to have placed our authorities on the back foot and they are merely spectators.' How about substantiating that empty opinion with some facts. Otherwise it simply remains and empty (and worthless) opinion.
Posted by minotaur, Monday, 1 August 2016 12:06:34 PM
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Would some of those US style 'boot camps' for juvenile offenders be beneficial? There were quite a few of them on TV a few years ago. They seemed to work on rebellious kids from USA and UK.
Posted by nswnotill, Monday, 1 August 2016 3:25:50 PM
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