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The economic significance of independent schools to the Queensland economy : Comments

By David Robertson, published 15/3/2016

Independent school students are reducing the financial burden on governments, and therefore taxpayers, by about $804 million in recurrent funds annually.

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I have nothing against independent schools, but the money spent on them if spent on something else would make the same contribution to the Queensland economy. It’s not as if the few billion dollars spent by parents and taxpayers would just sit in the bank if it did not go to independent schools. It would be spent on holidays, hospitals, roads or any of another million possibilities.
Posted by Chris C, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 8:45:16 AM
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My understanding is that combined Federal-govt funding and State-govt funding of private schools is, on a per capita basis, about 90% of combined govt funding of public schools.

Private schools have a lot more facilities and a lot more intermediate managers and ancillary staff; many on six-figure remuneration packages.

Yes, the private school sector is an industry in itself.
Posted by McReal, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 9:04:46 AM
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Really with the pathetic failure of the State system with its teaching to 11 year old girls and boys on anal sex all schools should become independent. Bound to increase the health budget. The fruit of the secular system is rotten fruit by and large with a few exceptions. Pour more money into the system that works. Don't hold your breath, just like in Indigeneous affairs there are to many milking the cow. Why is it that the more money spent on the public system the worse the results. Gonski! What a joke.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 9:50:34 AM
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I also have no beef with private schools and even less they way they manage and account for their funding.

That said, I mostly agree with the first two commentaries.

If we had the good common sense to fully roll out Gonski, those in need would be the ones we fund with public money and on a needs basis!

Rather than political influence, the old school tie and all that?

I say old chap, Tally ho, Jolly good show, what?

And hail mary and halleluyah, massively over represented in the nation's boardrooms, political organisations etc.

Our charity, must be reserve for the needy, not the greedy.

And while a few recalcitrant millionaires may claim they pay tax and are therefore entitled too? I wonder how much real truth is in that?

Given the wealthy can and do dodge tax, via super, family trusts offshoring and a whole range of strategies, like sending the same parcel of money circulating through several subsidiaries, to create false or patently fraudulent impressions. or escape tax liability?

And not made more palatable by the wounded bull's belligerent bellowing, rhetorical rectal retorts, or downright disingenuous denials?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 9:53:02 AM
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One of the great con-jobs in Australian politics is calling these heavily subsidised businesses "independent".
Posted by Asclepius, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 10:55:15 AM
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Tax money to independent schools is in general a government subsidy to religious indoctrination. Parents have a right to indoctrinate their children and segregate them from the general population. I object to such use of my taxes.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 11:26:49 AM
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Yes runner it's shameful that state schools teach children about anal sex.......
Much better for a religious school to get it's priest to give them practical demonstrations.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 3:29:51 PM
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Asclepius, david f

Yes, indeed, economic or fiscal arguments are irrelevant. It's not the business of a secular state to subsidise religious institutions, the argument that the practice is saving taxpayers' money is specious.

Religious institutions should be treated like any other corporation and be liable to taxation.
Posted by mac, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 3:50:32 PM
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'Yes runner it's shameful that state schools teach children about anal sex.......'

Oh Cobber you have found a moral base to call it wrong. What a surprise!
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 5:32:20 PM
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Dear runner,

Some people find their moral base as you do in superstition - big daddy mumbojumbo in the sky. Others can dispense with such nonsense and find compassion for others in the realisation that all of us whether they believe in your mumbojumbo, some other mumbojumbo or no mumbojumbo find it good to live together in peace.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 5:44:46 PM
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The facts are:

1 Independent schools cost the governments less per child than government schools. Thus defunding them would cost government more.

2 Money spent by parents sending their kids to these schools is nearly 100% spent in the area, providing jobs and more taxes, unlike buying cars, TVs etc.

3 The education on average produces a far better and rounded education, in spite of the skewed lefty stats, with 85% of NSW Uni placed filled by either Independent or selective schools, and the professions such as doctors lawyers etc vastly represented by independent students as well.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 4:55:16 PM
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' Others can dispense with such nonsense and find compassion for others in the realisation that all of us whether they believe in your mumbojumbo, some other mumbojumbo or no mumbojumbo find it good to live together in peace.

tell that to the millions of murdered unborn babies davidf. Oh thats right just like the nazis did with the Jews so secularist simply deny the humanity of such. Great moral base!
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 5:12:23 PM
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Dear runner,

You don't seem to give a fig whether a woman who doesn't want to carry a pregnancy to term has access to a competent abortionist. Her wishes don't seem to bother you at all. We have hopefully advanced beyond the point where a woman who doesn't want to carry a pregnancy to term has to use the services of a back yard butcher. To lessen the need for abortion sex education and access to contraceptive devices should be made freely available. You're probably against that, too.

Pregnant women are human, too. The Nazis were very much against abortion. They wanted women to produce soldiers for Hitler. When you bring in the Nazis you are bringing a philosophy which was as much against the woman's right to abortion as you are. Your moral base in regards to abortion is not too different from that of the Nazis. Neither you nor they had much regard for woman's rights.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 5:53:01 PM
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If the government stopped funding independent schools all those kids would be moved back into government schools, where the government would be obliged to spend $13,000 per student instead of the $7000 they currently spend.
In addition, people seem to forget that parents of children at independent schools generally pay high taxes and are entitled to receive some educational support for their kids from the government. In contrast to many parents of kids at public schools who pay no taxes at all.
Posted by Big Nana, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 6:11:23 PM
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