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Rubio challenges Clinton's support for Israel : Comments

By David Singer, published 10/3/2016

Marco Rubio has directly challenged Hillary Clinton – and every other Presidential candidate – to honour the commitments given by President Bush to Israel on 14 April 2004.

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Wedge politics patently designed to shore up Jewish votes and political donations!?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 10 March 2016 9:11:18 AM
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Same old Singer singing the same old song
Posted by John Ryan, Thursday, 10 March 2016 12:29:46 PM
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"I will revive the common-sense understandings reached in the 2004 Bush-Sharon letter and build on them to help ensure Israel has defensible borders..."

What borders?
israel and israel alone has continually and deliberately refused to set its borders. No other country has no borders.
It is this way so they can steal any land they want and call it israel.
isreal, and its people, believe they can hold off declaring their borders until the "facts on the ground" favor them and their theft of other peoples land and no one will be able to throw their settlers off.
Once the settlements reach the Jordan they will say this river is our border. Just as their fairy stories tell them.

"In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli populations centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949,"

See!

Quoting UN resolutions? Since when did israel give a tinkers cuss about any UN resolution. Talk about hypocrisy.

"The Israelis say they received commitments from the previous US administration of President George W. Bush permitting some growth in existing settlements."

What the hell business is it of the septics to "authorise" isreali settlements? What authority did the shrub have to give permission to the theft of Palestinian land? It boggles the mind that anyone could try to use this to justify the the occupation and subjugation of millions of people.

And we all know it is going to be trump leading your friends in the republican party before too long. Rubio is a loser.
Posted by mikk, Thursday, 10 March 2016 2:37:55 PM
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Good to hear that at least someone, Hillary Clinton, truly loves Israel and cares for its true interests even while the Israeli government works against them.

Land swaps is the last thing that Israel needs, giving away good and healthy chunks of its land in return for poisoned chunks: when you have an open wound you cover it completely to stop all bleeding and infection. When you operate to remove a cancerous growth, you remove the lot, you don't leave anything at the edges.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 10 March 2016 6:49:25 PM
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That's the problem, since when has stolen land become the property of the thief? Who then resists all reasonable attempts to resolve the issue by saying, we won't give up our gold plated land in a land swap for rubbish!

Seriously, when you plonk new settlements concrete and bitumen down on top of it, who cares what the land looks like or can grow, given you can grow almost anything using hydroponics, land reclamation etc. You should se what the Irish and scottish pioneers were able to do with bare rock on barren windswept coastlines!

As for something looking like a malignant cancer, that is a most apt description for the new settlements and their growth.

But, why try to resolve this issue in a reasonable fashion,when on clear and present evidence, the Israelis have no intention of resolving anything! And that the land grabs and self evident obfuscation will continue until a new and dreadful war breaks out? Or the Israeli border abuts that of Jordan?

In the cancer analogy, sometimes saving the patient (Israel) requires the complete removal of the cancer!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 11 March 2016 7:22:18 AM
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In case you haven't noticed David there's a movement occurring.
Americans are fighting back against the political establishment and Your mate Little Marco 'Bubbles' Rubio (who like to hang out at public toilets) hasn't even got his toe in the door.
Hillary is being investigated by the Feds and they just gave one of her senior staff amnesty, possibly to testify against her if shes indicted.

Americans are fed up with the Israel firsters and the useless bought and paid for politicians..
They want their country back and all the quislings gone.

I hope Trump wins and exposes all the mess from 911 to present.
Everything the Pro-Israel neocons have done.

He's already calling for fairer playing field on the Israel / Palestine issue.
So my guess is we can expect all lot more of the same regurgitated verbal excrement David consistently spews out.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 14 March 2016 12:36:57 PM
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The borders of Israeli rule have changed somewhat in recent history. The maps at http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html set out how. Mr Singer has long preached that this should be tidied up by extension to engulf all of what's left of Palestine.

Equality has long been a dirty word for the Zionists who have held that the actual homelands where Jews are equal to the rest of us (like Australia) are not enough – they actually have to have an artificial “homeland” plonked in the middle of Palestine where that dread word equality doesn't apply.

Here is how a two-state solution would look without overlords and submen:

* Each territory to have equal state sovereignty.
* No restriction of the flow of goods to one not matched by the same restriction of the flow to the other.
* Equal rights for each to maintain full and free international relations and alliances.
* Visa requirements for entry to be the prerogative of each territory.
* Neither allowed to dictate the legal structure of the other.
* Neither to be allowed to foist or retain by force settlements on the other’s territory.
* Neither to have power to abridge the right of the other to accept immigrants or visitors.

Such an idea would be quickly brushed off by the racist lobby including Mr Singer as “antisemitism”.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 14 March 2016 1:25:30 PM
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#mikk

You are apparently unaware that Israel has borders with its two neighbours - Egypt and Jordan - pursuant to peace treaties negotiated in 1979 with Egypt and in 1994 with Jordan.

The River Jordan is indeed the established border as stated in the Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty:
"The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers."

There is a small piece of territory one-twelfth the size of Tasmania stuck between Israel and Jordan - called "Judea and Samaria" or the "West BanK" - that is dealt with in the Peace Treaty as follows:

"The orthophoto maps and image maps showing the line separating Jordan from the territory that came under Israeli Military government control in 1967 shall have that line indicated in a different presentation and the legend shall carry on it the following disclaimer:

"This line is the administrative boundary between Jordan and the territory which came under Israeli military government control in 1967. Any treatment of this line shall be without prejudice to the status of that territory.”

Changing the status of that territory by allocating sovereignty within it - not to another Arab state (which has been tried for the last 23 years and failed) - but between Israel and Jordan the two successor States to the Mandate for Palestine - remains the key to advancing an end to the conflict

Yes it is really that simple - re-drawing the international border between Israel and Jordan in direct face to face negotiations between those two sovereign States that have now been at peace for the last 22 years.

22 years of Jordan- Israel peace will always trump 23 years of PLO-Israel conflict.

America's commitments to Israel in the 2004 Bush letter secured Israel's disengagement from Gaza. Congress overwhelmingly endorsed those commitments by 407 votes to 9.

Those commitments cannot be torn up by Obama - but must be honoured - as Rubio has indicated.

All the other current Democratic and Republican Presidential hopefuls should do the same.

Or are they just as immoral as Obama?
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 9:28:39 AM
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That makes about as much sense as letting Syria and Turkey decide the fate of the Kurds.
What about any kind of actual treaty with the Palestinians?
Oh no they aren't allowed to have any say in their future.

You really are completely detached from reality David...
And also you're full of it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 11:47:16 AM
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Par for the course still. Mr Singer continues to plump for eliminating the last few acres of Palestine to complete the first conquest of Eretz Israel before turning attention to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran.

However, like Islam, these latter day conquistadors depend on the assistance of the Western world to complete their global project.

If the Likudniks like David Singer come to be calling the shots unimpeded in Israel then the best course of action in the West is to seek a one-state solution with the border located 12 miles west of the Mediterranean shore and the racist settlers made to return to their own homelands and live in equality there with the despised goyim. The hopeful signs Mr Singer senses in the US presidential race are a step in the right direction.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 11:55:58 AM
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#Emperor Julian

Dare I believe you have said something that makes commonsense?

You state:
"Here is how a two-state solution would look without overlords and submen:

* Each territory to have equal state sovereignty.
* No restriction of the flow of goods to one not matched by the same restriction of the flow to the other.
* Equal rights for each to maintain full and free international relations and alliances.
* Visa requirements for entry to be the prerogative of each territory.
* Neither allowed to dictate the legal structure of the other.
* Neither to be allowed to foist or retain by force settlements on the other’s territory.
* Neither to have power to abridge the right of the other to accept immigrants or visitors.

That is indeed how the two state solution will look when Jordan and Israel successfully allocate the sovereignty of the West Bank between their two respective States. They will do that by the simple expedient of drawing a new international border to replace their existing internationally recognised border.

Each state will have the features you have detailed.

No one - Jew or Arab - will have to leave his present home or business.

Well done.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 7:56:10 PM
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They've been fighting over that land for thousands of years and they'll be fighting for thousands more; or until Israel ethnically cleanses Palestine entirely by murdering every single last one of them...
...And I assume that's their plan.
How long must the rest of the planet endure this tiny nations abuse of human rights and international law and an occupation that's lasted generations?
So called words of peace do nothing or are simply lies.
I mean REALLY what sort of nation whinges endlessly about some so-called holocaust that nobody's even alive to remember and only lasted a few years while AT THE SAME TIME occupying a nation and holding its people captive and under oppression for DECADES??
- OVER HALF A DAMN CENTURY?

You must be writing your articles for the sake of complete morons David because no rational thinking human being is going to buy into any of this crap.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 8:30:50 PM
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Your attitude stinks singer. Stuff the Palestinians. No, more like "what Palestinians."
At least now you are admitting that israels goal is ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people and theft of their land right up to the Jordan river. Just like your stories of murder and genocide against the Canaanites.
Just like I have always said.
Your god must be so proud.
The rest of us are just increasingly sickened and disgusted.
It will never happen singer.

Like I said before "What the hell business is it of the septics to "authorise" isreali settlements? What authority did the shrub have to give permission to the theft of Palestinian land?"
Why should a new government, a decade or so later, have to honour anything agreed to by previous administrations. It doesnt work that way and you know it. Clutching at a drowning rubeo just looks weak and desperate. Increasingly pathetic.
Give it up singer. Stop embarrassing yourself. At least give us peace here.
Posted by mikk, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 1:11:08 PM
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Oh and by the way, NONE OF US ARE RACIST.
Were all just sick and tired of ignorance, denial and one-sided arguments.
Its delusional and detached from reality.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 17 March 2016 2:16:14 AM
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TV SHOW ALERT - A must see 10.20 tonight (SUNDAY 20 March) on SBS 1 is

NETANYAHU AT WAR

Summary "In addition to being angry himself, Netanyahu is shown to make successive American presidents angry too, but without any consequences for him or Israel.

The show does point out that under President Obama US direct military aid for Israel chugs along at a crisp $3 billion per year, thereby dispelling in part the Israeli notion that the president is no friend of Israel...."

see more at http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/netanyahu-dreadful-interest/

This is a community service announcement.
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 20 March 2016 7:06:33 PM
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