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The national interest demands a double dissolution : Comments

By Syd Hickman, published 30/12/2015

The Coalition will probably win around 100 seats in the Reps, up from 90 now. That will leave the ALP in pathetic shape, sharing 50 seats with Greens and Independents.

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Ah, but the Senate. A DD might not yield a sympathetic upper house.
Posted by Mayan, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 12:08:15 PM
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While the author is probably correct in his analysis, this "national interest" thing is antipodal to the interests of ordinary people who only wish to have a life.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 12:25:50 PM
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I'm a Labor voter rather than a Greens voter. But the inference that Greens policies are 'insane' is worth questioning. Many Greens policies are what used to be considered "mainstream social democracy". Let's face it. Even the policies of Menzies and Fraser on the tax mix and the mixed economy would be considered 'insane' by Liberals today.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 12:49:45 PM
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The author has not factored in the biggest stumbling blocks that already exist.
The whole theory sounds like a what if scenario.
Posted by 579, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 12:52:21 PM
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I have to laugh when I hear contemporary Australia express itself in terms such as 'national interest'. There is no Australian nation today. It was ended by Hawke in the 1980s when the politicians decided to end two centuries of Anglo-Australian nation-building, replacing it with a congeries of multi-ethnic groups that have no share in a common history, common language and common culture.

The idea of a stable two-party political system is gradually being eroded and displaced by unstable political systems structured around coalition governments. In the near future coalition governments will come and go even faster than prime ministers have been coming and going over recent years. And the politicians answer to the struggle to keep hold of power for their party will be the ongoing sale of Australia to China, providing the politicians with the funds for buying voters' short term loyalties.

The fascination for me is that in my lifetime I will actually get to witness the transformation of Australia into a Sino-Australian nation in which all of the big decisions will be made in Beijing. The writing is on the wall and one doesn't have to be a Mandarin speaker to understand what it says.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 1:32:17 PM
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Thhere is nothing in the nationsl interest that s double dissolution would currently improve. So far Turnbull's made almost as much noise as Kevin07 but he hasn't really done much. It would not be good to have an election before we know what Turnbull's policies are!

However, the "serious cuts in spending" that Syd is calling for are very very strongly against the national interest. At this stage of the economic cycle the economy needs stimulating. All calls to do the reverse are based on false assumptions.
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 3:01:16 PM
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'In Turnbull we have the most capable Prime Minister since Hawke'

Dear oh dear Syd. Certainly showed he is capable of sleaze and undermining an elected PM when he could not even hold onto the leadership of the opposition. Up until now the only decent judgement Turnbull has shown is to keep the Abbott policies of no boats, no perverting marriage and no to the warmist alarmist taxing everyone. To compare Turnbull's spin with Howards achievements at this stage shows about as much discernment as those who championed Latham as a PM. Mind you he would of been much better than Rudd/Gillard/Rudd.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 3:17:22 PM
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Turnbull has been very laid back in his approach to the PM’s position. He needs to actually put something in place so we can make some sort of judgment about him.
An election any time soon would cause a mountain of confusion as to what for.
By now Turnbull should have his policies sorted out, maybe he will tell us all about them shortly. More trench rats are leaving , which will create some more shifts. Brough has collapsed, now he can get others in trouble, no doubt Abbott if not the instigator of his troubles, will know all about it.
Just another year of frog swobble to wade through, with Abbott pushing buttons with every chance he gets. The word is he won’t survive an election, along with a few others of the far right.
Posted by 579, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 3:32:12 PM
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I love to see the left whingers wallowing in their disillusions.

The truth is:

While Turnbull is not Abbott, MT is still the leader of the Liberals and as such will prosecute the policies of the liberal party, and while he will make minor modifications are 99% the same as the policies when TA was leader.

Secondly, the election in 2016 which I believe will probably be a DD election in the new year will clear out the PUP cockroaches that were elected on a conservative ticket that helped Labor and the greens block TA's economic reforms.

The DD election will be fought not on Labor's policies but on reforming the corrupt unions, with the weakened Shorten as exhibit No 1, and the unions' donations to the greens as a kicker.

There is a very good chance that the DD will deliver the coalition control of both houses and MT can unwind the stupid policies of labor that are crippling the economy.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 31 December 2015 9:36:43 AM
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The truth is: Turnbull is not Abbott. And that is where the truth stops.
I don’t know if that was worth 100 million $ The police could have done that for nothing. Now with years of court sessions to go a DD run on union corruption is somewhat premature. Gillard and Shorten was supposed to be in that line up. All we have heard so far is Dyson giving his opinion.
Brough will get his neck screwed and spill the beans all over Abbott. A plan that did not work to conspire.
Turnbull knows why he was installed as PM, and he will not be going to any sort of election this side of September.
Turnbull has a head between his shoulders, unlike others, and he is a smart man, he is enjoying himself. He has to get investment going with his innovation.
Implementation of Abbott’s policy’s will only happen after the Abbottizations have been abolished. Besides that the policie’s were not liberal party policy that was Abbott’s policy. That is why he got the asse
Posted by 579, Thursday, 31 December 2015 10:11:24 AM
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Bring it on!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 31 December 2015 10:26:30 AM
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I can't wait until the next election. I'm going to give my senate vote to the Australian Muslim Party. That'll put a cat amongst the pigeons.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 31 December 2015 10:37:08 AM
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Come on Sid, take off those inch thick rose coloured glasses, & have a real look at Turnbull. Hell even 579 can see Turnbull has done nothing but waffle, & try to set the scene to hand what little wealth we have left to his banker mates with a carbon trading scheme.

He is already pandering to his advertising agency, their ABC, & the only things he can claim as successful activities are the ones Tony Abbott had already set in train.

How you lot can fool yourselves so easily amazes me.

This bloke, if we are stupid enough to actually elect him, will do as much or more damage to us, & our economy, to feather his & his mates nests, as Rudd & Gillard did by accident by being such dumb fools.

Granted it would be difficult for him to do much more damage than Gillard did with her vindictive booby-trap acts with Gonski & the Disability insurance scheme, but he might just manage it.

Yes Gillard was a liar, but this bloke is a pathological liar, & anyone who can't see that in his carefully constructed waffle is too simple to recognise which way is up
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 31 December 2015 10:48:38 AM
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Great idea Mr Opinion, they would have to be better than voting for the coalition, if it's still lead by Turnbull.

Hell, even Palmer would be better than Turnbull.

If we elect Turnbull, the yanks actually elect that proven failure Hillary Clinton, & with Europe full of Muslim invaders in the guise of refugees, the western world will definitely fail in the not too distant future.

All great civilisations have failed due to their accumulated stupidity, why should we be any different. Only so much stupidity can be overcome, & we are about at the "tipping point" the global warming scammers are always on about.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 31 December 2015 11:09:07 AM
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579,

You really have no clue. Don't confuse what you want with what is going to happen. I can't wait to see the deer in the headlights looks on the faces of the left whingers when after the election they realise that they have been mugged by reality.

Rhosty,

We intend to.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 31 December 2015 12:28:22 PM
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Lets attack the workers that will hurry up an election. Nothing better than attacking workers to get opinion going. At least Turnbull has negotiation skills and brains to know where the negotiations will go.
The only policie’s Abbott set in train were years in advance, it was always after the next election, which he swore blind he was going to win. Was he going to abolish voting.
Turnbull is the man of the moment, his popularity is through the roof, the majority rules. Only Abbott worshippers don’t like him, Turnbull is far to popular for them, better than Abbott groveling around in the seller pleasing only him self.
This Liberal govt; which is looking better everyday, with the demise of another 2 far right infiltrators. They would do well to eliminate that lot altogether, and be a real force of govt;. I do not believe julia Bishop was ever a far right winger, she just wanted the job.
Pine with his 100.000 $ degree’s is always going to be erratic, and needs a job on the back bench sweeping the floors. How can real policy be configured while you have religious persuasions involved. The separation of religion and government are crucial to any policy making.
I think that mugging by reality happened 3 months ago, when the roof of parliament fell in, remember that one. Reality only happens with the blessing of the voters, so you have to get that right for a start.
With the right mix of thoughtful policy Turnbull could have many happy years of politics in front of him at least he can explain what his policy is about, that way they can gauge fairness reaction. Or he can fluff it and Bill will fix it for him.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 31 December 2015 1:07:39 PM
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579,

My brain hurts trying to read the word salad of slogans and delusion that makes up your last post.

I wish you luck in the next elections and hope that Mr 14% comes to your rescue.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 1 January 2016 7:38:48 PM
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Notice how Turnbull keeps his distance from the treasures activities, at least away from himself making statements about finances. A good move , as the treasurer has to take responsibility of his own statements, it gives Turnbull room to shift him if something doesn’t add up.
Abbott’s royal commission was somewhat a fizzer, not nailing the main Duo it was supposed to. They came up with peripheral thugs and bullies, we didn’t need a royal commission to now that. Abbott’s own whistle blower Jackson is the main culprit labeled for criminal actions. The rest will fizzle out.
Voters of AU will see through Abbott’s Royal Commission as an attack on workers, and lead to other things. Two years of Royal Commission by Abbott for Abbott, not worth the expense. If there was anything other than thugs and bullies 2 years of commission should have found it. Should have been a police matter.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 2 January 2016 8:33:56 AM
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A Double Dissolution in early 2016 would be seen as a tactic to avoid a Budget due in May: the election proper is due August/September and that is when it should be held.
Posted by wantok, Monday, 4 January 2016 11:08:30 AM
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579,

Possessive: <Treasury's>, not treasuries. <Its>, not it's.

Plural: <degrees>, not <degree's>. <Policies>, not <policie's>, or <policy's>.

BTT: Turnbull can hold an election any time he likes this year. Obviously, he won't hold one before March, six months before the three-year term. He could hold one before the Budget, say in April, or he could hold off until September. It's entirely up to him.

[579, <It's> is an abbreviation of <It is> in that case.]

Why should he risk a DD, which is just as likely to return an even more diverse and fractious Senate ?

Not that I would mind, being a Xenophon supporter :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 8:37:15 AM
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Good to see Loudmouth speaking up for the English language. I've often felt like it but chickened out. Managed decay of language is a stratagem for muzzling public challenge to BS. George Orwell didn't dream up Newspeak from thin air.

Watch for the overuse of undefined terms like "left", "right", "racism", "anti-Semitism", "bigotry", and think about the agenda behind them. Other horrors include "to" for "too", "too" for "to", "tow the line", "lead" for "led", and the endless stream of malapropisms and muddled sentence-construction. Ignore obvious simple typos. To see a forest of chimp-level language, go to http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/ and run a mental editor's pencil through the items. Writing at the very least a rough semblance of English simply requires taking a modicum of care.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 3:21:02 PM
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