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Wind storm of green energy is a flat calm : Comments

By Mark S. Lawson, published 14/12/2015

Renewable energy was a major topic at the Paris climate conference but in Australia investment in green energy projects has tailed off to almost nothing.

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Loudmouth
Yes, the cost to build anything new includes costs of all components and labor costs. Note that Apple is requiring that all factories involved in building their i devices use renewable power. IKEA is similarly using as much renewable power as well. This approach is rapidly spreading, particularly with large US companies.

JBowyer
Some questions for you on Y2K
How many software systems built in the 1970s were still in use in the 1990s?
How many of those systems evolved from Holorith (?) card systems
How many needed to sort data by date?
Because of limited space on Holorith cards, how many systems used two digits to specify year?
Using just two digits for year, how could you sort year 2000 data in correct date order?
So, world wide, how many data files and programs needed updating before 1/1/2000?
Given the number of problems found, how well was that massive task accomplished?

Some people know as little about IT as they know about global warming.

Oh - and did you know that it is green stuff in our world that extracts CO2 from the armosphere and releases oxygen. Do you know that greenies like green stuff, and that if profit were our only motivation in life, you could say goodbye to livability on our planet.
Posted by Tony153, Friday, 25 December 2015 4:53:36 AM
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Hi Tony,

I'm glad to hear about Apple. But my point was, can renewable energy be produced more cheaply than fossil-fuel-based energy systems ? I'll have to repeat,

'People, governments, capitalists are not stupid: if wind-power was genuinely - from go to whoa - cheaper than coal etc., then they would be onto it like a shot. What idiot would keep using coal if wind [or solar, or hydro, or tidal] was cheaper ?

'Of course, this is Lomborg's point: as soon as wind is cheaper IN TOTAL, the world will leap on it and not a single gram of coal will ever be mined again.'

Surely we should be working, and pumping money into research, towards cheaper renewables ? Surely that's feasible ?

Merry Christmas, Tony.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 25 December 2015 8:28:57 AM
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Loudmouth
Joe,
The issue, in Australia, is not really the comparitive cost of new fossil fuel and renewable power stations. It is the cost of any new power station versus cost of keeping old power stations going. Hazelwood in Latrobe Valley produces cheapest electricity but is one of the worlds most polluting power station. It must be shut down, by regulation or via carbon taxing what comes out of its chimneys.

Many in the Libs/Nats want to believe developing countries must have coal based electricity to advance. While we keep evangelising coal, countries with reasonably intelligent leaders are racing to provide solar and wind power to those countries. Other countries are racing towards all electric cars, many of which are self drive, while our stupid pollies pushed to close our car industries.

Our photovoltaic researchers are the best in the world. The total lack of political foresight has caused all that knowledge to be used in China where they now have the biggest solar cell factories in the world. While our stupid government debates if global warming is real or fake, we have lost thousands and thousands of jobs to overseas. Where we were very capable of leading world solar cell development and production, we now import pre-made panels from China.

Before any election, each person standing for election should have to prove he or she can think.

Have a happy Christmas break from forums.
Cheers Tony
(In Canada, for Xmas, where outside temp of -15C)
Posted by Tony153, Friday, 25 December 2015 10:21:54 AM
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Hi Tony,

I hope AGW helps to make it warmer for you there :) What tragedies would ensue in Canada from AGW ?

But does it matter if "the total lack of political foresight has caused all that knowledge to be used in China where they now have the biggest solar cell factories in the world" ?

Scale of production surely lowers the costs of renewables, wherever they are produced ? If Chinese solar panels mean lower costs, overall, go to whoa, that coal etc., then surely that's all to the good ?

Yes, I agree about shipping our innovations overseas, but if China can produce so much at lower costs, lower than the costs of fossil-fuelled power, then what's the issue ?

Back to the oven ! And where are those bloody Xmas hats ?! Merry Christmas, Tony.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 25 December 2015 11:39:17 AM
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