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Macho Tony Abbott and the women who ruled him : Comments

By Peter West, published 10/12/2015

Many discussions of masculinity, my own included, have pointed out that masculinity has its paradoxes.

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It is no coincidence that the Mad Monk knuckle drags by the name of Abbott.

Abbott is not maintaining the dignified silence he promised when Australia was blessed with his Sept 2015 ejectalation.

Abbott has now become a fully paid up gibbering ranter of Trump International http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S9EGgGX74sM/VmiHKOoEqXI/AAAAAAAA1kU/MEoegosh1hI/s1600/rowe%2Babbott.jpg

Unless Abbott redeems himself as a good boy he will never receive the Ambassadorial sinecure (or High Commissioner-ship London) that Hokey pokey scored.
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 10 December 2015 10:40:46 AM
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Tony sounded very intelligent compared to the total waffling going on now. The word 'innovation'being parrotted by every abc feminist and even now by some of the cabinet is nothing more than hot air. Whether it was Credlin or whoever I would say Turnbull needs a few lessons. He has about as much substance as Rudds great moral dilemma statement. Tony showed great courage in refusing to be lectured to by the likes of Gillard, Trigg, and other sisterhood members who benefit greatly by keeping themselves as habitual victims in order to cover lies and incompetence.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 10 December 2015 11:51:02 AM
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According to the Abbott-haters, he was too enthralled by the women around him. Yet before that, according to the Abbott-haters, he was a misogynistic woman-hater who looked at his watch too often. It didn't/doesn't matter what he did, the haters were going to hate.

Had he got rid of Credlin he would have been anti-woman. Had he put more woman into cabinet they, according to the usual suspects, would have been tokens or not senior enough or whatever.

Abbott's biggest problem was that he destroyed the fondly-held beliefs of the left. You can't stop the boats, we were told. Only a fool like Abbott thought you could. Then he did. There is no greater crime that proving those of a certain bent are wrong.

Abbott and Hockey saw the problems, the diabolical problems, that face this nation in the future and they tried to take measures to address that. But the nation isn't ready for that. We prefer leaders who make soothing noises about this being the best of times and the future being bright. Being confronted with the truth isn't currently acceptable. By the time it is accepted the situation will be beyond repair. We aren't Greece yet - but we will be.

As the economic situation deteriorates, all those dependant on the government for their lifestyles are starting to fight over the shrinking cake. It'll get worse. There will come a time when the nation will regret the demise of the fiscal conservatives.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 10 December 2015 1:09:56 PM
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Abbott ran a fraudulent political election campaign, he said one thing and tried to do the opposite, that is why he got the shift.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 10 December 2015 1:28:25 PM
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Hi runner

You might find this interesting http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-10/suspect-robert-dear-planned-parenthood-attack-says-he-is-guilty/7016572
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 10 December 2015 1:33:11 PM
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Runner
Toni sounded very intelligent, when was that. I still say he has a disability.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 10 December 2015 3:35:13 PM
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plantagenet

one murderer killing others participating in murder planet.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 10 December 2015 3:39:34 PM
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Hi 579

I agree. There have been numerous (suppressed) video shots of Abbott's strange gait-walk, which may indicate early onset dementia.

And then there was Abbott's Man-Tough "S--t Happens" phrase of sympathy on hearing of an Australian soldier's death. Note how Abbott's head shakes in tension as an interviewer dares to ask Abbott what Abbott meant:

https://youtu.be/rJ9y1c73-IM

But we need to watch out. Abbott may return as PM again. Maybe the MSM will have the guts to load the odd gait up to Youtube!
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 10 December 2015 4:04:42 PM
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Plantagenent I thought your comments were, and were meant to be offensive. TA did better than those fools Rudd/Gillard/Rudd.
I think we could see TA come back and I for one would welcome it!
Oh yes keep the insults and abuse coming boys and girls.
Posted by JBowyer, Thursday, 10 December 2015 5:16:50 PM
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"Abbott's strange gait-walk"

Maybe it was those large cojones. The big brass ones that caused him to solve that boat problem that others believed was beyond fixing, after they had lifted the lid on Pandora's Box.

Tony's walk
Tense in public I always imagined. Affected his whole body.

INTJ in Myers Briggs typology. Strongly introverted, thinking and logical, an analyst. His ministers should have worked harder and relieved him of some engagements, instead of cruising and taking care of themselves.

Tony Abbott did well to overcome his natural aversion to public exposure (and his intolerance of fools), but the tension showed in his walk for instance. In interviews he would have struggled too, having a host of (analytical) possibilities but being restricted to a fews words. -Especially in reply to those dilemmas the 'gotcha' journos love instead of doing research.

Now, how to explain Gillard's face plants, attempted and achieved? For instance, kissing Indian soil while flogging them uranium? -She couldn't lie straight in their garden bed either.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 10 December 2015 5:38:40 PM
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Can anybody anywhere explain this difference to me please?

Bob Hawke as PM awards the highest honour in the Order of Australia to Prince Phillip. Reaction = nobody gives a stuff.

Tony Abbott as PM awards the highest honour in the Order of Australia to the very same Prince Phillip. Reaction = over-the-top ridicule, derision, judgement called into question, is he on the same planet with us type comments, etc.

Discuss.
Posted by Captain Col, Thursday, 10 December 2015 8:33:14 PM
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With an eye to Abbott's amateur boxing past:

"Dementia pugilistica (DP) is a ...neurodegenerative disease with features of dementia. DP may affect amateur or professional boxers, wrestlers as well as athletes in other sports who suffer concussions. The condition is [also]...blows below the threshold of force necessary to cause concussion.

The condition...manifests as dementia, or declining mental ability, problems with memory, and Parkinsonism, or tremors and lack of coordination.

[Does the following ring bells?] "It can also cause speech problems and an unsteady gait. Patients with DP may be prone to inappropriate or explosive behavior and may display pathological jealousy or paranoia."

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia_pugilistica
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 10 December 2015 9:26:09 PM
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Are you for real Peter West, or are you a 1950's time-traveller?
Certainly I can see why you are obviously lamenting the loss of your 1950's like-minded bloke Tony Abbott. You are missing those good little women of the 50's and prior, that stayed at home and cared for their man as only he allowed them.

To me, Abbott was never 'masculine' as such, but merely a little man trying too hard to be one of the big boys. He never really fitted in with the other blokes in politics either did he? Certainly, it wasn't just Bishop and Credlin who caused his demise at all was it?
As you yourself explained, Abbott didn't need much help to be on the nose with most intelligent voters by the end....he managed to alienate them all by himself.

Bare in mind that the party room that voted him out in the end had very few women in there at all, so you should be blaming all the good old Liberal boys for Abbott's demise.
Posted by Suseonline, Friday, 11 December 2015 1:31:24 AM
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The answer may be that Abbott recognised his own difficulties in appealing to women voters, and believed that he could address them by placing two strong women in positions of great influence. Part of the problem was that these women were not representative of women in general. Bishop was a victim of her own sense of entitlement.

But nobody has suggested that Credlin's input made Abbott's decisions worse; in fact the decision to honour Prince Philip was a captain's call made against her advice. If Credlin had been the PM, and Abbott the advisor, they might still be in power.
Posted by Jon J, Friday, 11 December 2015 6:13:16 AM
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Why would anyone think that West is an Abbott sympathiser? The vicious, snarling tone of the article gives away his preference for anyone but. The loyal followers of the "Mad Monk" must be so few by now you could cram them in a telephone box.
As for "bare in mind", perhaps this is some kind of subtle joke? It was Abbott who kept baring his bum cheeks every time he showed off his masculinity in his red speedos. I'm sure all the women in Australia got very excited by the sight.
Posted by Waverley, Friday, 11 December 2015 7:59:04 AM
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Captain Col,

'Discuss'

simple fact of hatred Captain. Tony made all the leftist look like utter idiots by stopping the boats which they all claimed was impossible. Several of the haters on this forum had stated many times it was impossible. Tony then scrapped the idiotic breathing tax which again the fools claimed could not be done. Now he speaks the truth on security, the same regressives can only pour scorn again as they have had their multi cultural dogmas proven a failure and outright dangerous. Most grown ups can admit when they are wrong. The leftist can only turn to sarcasim and scorn because they are to pig headed to admit they are wrong. They will continue to justify Islamic killings of police, women beating and multitaltion because in their dirty little narrative this thing does not fit.
Posted by runner, Friday, 11 December 2015 8:50:27 AM
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If he was so good Runner, his own party members would never have voted him out.
It had nothing to do with anyone here on the forum, or any of your imaginary 'regressives' or leftists, but had everything to do with himself.

No one cares that he 'stopped the boats' or repealed the carbon tax. In fact, have we all got any benefit at all from losing this carbon tax? Nothing seems to have changed at all!
I believe there was a collective sigh of relief when Abbott was thrown out.
Get over it and move on.
Posted by Suseonline, Friday, 11 December 2015 10:13:10 AM
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To me, Abbott was never 'masculine' as such, but merely a little man trying too hard to be one of the big boys.'

Hi Susie it seems to me the regreesives like yourself are still obssessed with Abbott. See you again using one standard for yourself and another for others.

Imaging how sexist a man would be if he wrote 'To me Gillard was never feminine, but merely a little confused girl.'

btw Abbott was thrown out because of the self interest of backstabbers like Turnbull, Bishop and MOrrison. As simple as that. You might not of noticed but they are still maintaining all his major policies. Just ask you sister Triggs.
Posted by runner, Friday, 11 December 2015 10:50:49 AM
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I don't think OLO's old bloke commenters should take the illness Dementia Pugilistica lightly.

As Suse says his own Party voted him out.

Every time he opened his mouth even the Refugees from Comment Forums of The Australian (who now infest OLO threads) were embarrassed.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 11 December 2015 11:00:10 AM
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Tony Abbott's loyalty to those who had served long is entirely expected for a INTJ (MyersBriggs typology). He supported men and women colleagues however the focus on the women was the crux of the political campaign against him.

'Their' taxpayer-funded ABC @$1.3 billion PA led the charge. Was there a day when the ABC wasn't hammering Abbott and usually over minor 'issues' drummed up and sensationalised? How often did Q&A scold Abbott for not immediately passing a Bill to introduce gay marriage, ignoring that labor governments Rudd (2007-10), Gillard plus Greens sidekicks (2010-13) and Second Rudd govt (2013) had not passed gay marriage either because it was electoral suicide to do so (and privately, leadership personally opposed the idea).

As for 'macho', that is just a convenient insult and weapon used by the feminists and leftist 'Progressives' against any man they want to 'kneecap' (another gross term the Marxist-inspired activists use).

It was also a sly way of playing Abbott's strengths as a man, a citizen and as a human, against him. Abbott models the action on diet and fitness that the health authorities are trying to encourage in men (and women). Even when he is busy and has the perfect excuse to slack off, he does what the Heart Foundation, the Stroke Foundation and others encourage, he gets off his behind and exercises.

Better still he volunteers and assists important voluntary organisations like Surf Life Saving Australia.

It was outrageous that Abbott was mocked and viciously sledged for his iconic bathers and participation in surf and cycling events by the ABC and others who should have known better but had a secondary, self-serving political agenda in mind.

The vicious and sustained political campaign against Abbott that goes on even now could not have been successful without the support of the self-serving ABC and the numerous self-entitled others who swing from the taxpayers' teats and have gotten used to doing so.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 11 December 2015 11:45:56 AM
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@onthebeach

Yes it is important to examine A‘s brain. Such an examination might reform A, so he is a modest, useful member of society.

In that regard INTJ type personalities on the MYERS-BRIGGS scale (to which onthebeach refers) are in part https://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ.html:

“ambitious, self-confident, deliberate, long-range thinkers…[BUT]

"Other people may have a difficult time understanding an INTJ. They may see them as aloof and reserved. Indeed, the INTJ...is likely to not give as much praise or positive support as others may need or desire...

When under a great deal of stress, the INTJ may become obsessed with mindless repetitive, Sensate activities, [such as chanting “Stop the Boats” when bereft of other achievements]

"INTJs need to remember to express themselves sufficiently, so as to avoid difficulties with peoples' misunderstandings. In the absence of properly developing their communication abilities, they may become abrupt and short with people, and isolationists..."

Basically leaders need to be able to trust subordinates and delegate power. Being an isolated pocket Pope who issued Captain's Picks lost him Public and Party support.

This explains why the Hero of the Grizzled Conservatives languishes on the Backbench between odd talkback radio interviews like a Political Shock Jock.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 11 December 2015 1:48:59 PM
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Abbott was a failed experiment in a host of different ways. He once said he will sell everything except his backside. Well at the last election he sacrificed his last remaining asset.

He kept poking and prodding his party to sack him, they did. He never expected that to ever happen. For some reason he thought he was doing the right thing by everybody including his own party. That certainly means he has a mental illness, to not see the damage in what he was doing.

There was an instant calming effect across the entire continent when Abbott fell. He had people that stressed from wondering what he was going to say next to embarrass the nation.

Australia certainly does not need eccentric idiots as PM. Abbott was an infiltrator of the Liberal party, grossly out of step with the majority of them. There are others there, I believe will be culled at the next election. The electorate was led to an incredible mistake by Abbott’s own ability to state B/S and believe it.
Posted by 579, Friday, 11 December 2015 2:30:27 PM
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Well that's funny, 579. Abbott seems unrepentant to me. And Bronny wants to stay on to stop terrororists.

Why is "macho" an insult? Do we want real men, or lady-boys? How many women like their men to be soft and mushy? Look at your local footy team, the girls are all over them like flies over a sticky pudding

Macho, macho, man......
Posted by Waverley, Friday, 11 December 2015 3:01:55 PM
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Well that's funny, 579. Abbott seems unrepentant to me. And Bronny wants to stay on to stop terrororists.

Why is "macho" an insult? Do we want real men, or lady-boys? How many women like their men to be soft and mushy? Look at your local footy team, the girls are all over them like flies over a sticky pudding
Posted by Waverley, Friday, 11 December 2015 3:02:31 PM
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plantagenet,

So Abbott will lose either way with you?

Gifts differing as they say. We all have our positives to build on and downsides to guard against and hopefully counterbalance. That is where the team should come in of course.

However in recent times, taking from Rudd on for convenience, ministers have sat back and let the leader do all of the running and later claiming that s/he 'wouldn't listen', 'didn't consult' and 'wasn't popular'. That suits the media and commentators, but it does not serve the electorate.

Talking about 'macho', one could put a better argument for Julia Gillard earning that label. Julia was blokey. She would never have been with the gossiping girls surveying the scene from the window at the bbq. Julia would have the one telling the jokes in good cheer and handling those sausages as they should be, with tongs not a piercing fork.

It is all an invention that Tony Abbott is 'macho'. There are many others in the Parliament who definitely are despite the sensitivity cloaks that they wear (as there are female chauvinists), but Abbott isn't one of them.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 11 December 2015 3:34:02 PM
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And to think the MINORITY of Australians, who are Conservatives, respect this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxwkbkXGPdM

I wonder if Abbott will seek counsel from Cardinal Pell when Pell fronts the Royal Commission.

But wait. Pell, who is known to work a long days on Vatican money matters, now can't travel to Australia. Ever? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-11/george-pell-too-unwell-to-give-evidence-at-child-sex-inquiry/7021846

Looks like Tony might miss kissing the Cardinal's ring. http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu472.htm
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 11 December 2015 4:49:27 PM
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Plantagenet "Looks like Tony might miss kissing the Cardinal's ring."
Lol...thanks for making me laugh so early in the day here in Perth :)

Onthebeach, stop crying into your hanky over Abbott's demise. Anything that was ever said about Abbott personally, including his little briefs, pales into insignificance compared to the vile comments about our first female PM. People made jokes about her partner, her childlessness, her clothing, her backside, her hair, her atheism, her father's death, and I could go on and on.

You personally threw yourself into the Gillard-bashing sport that men all over the country indulged in, so don't go sobbing over poor little Abbott's treatment....he asked for everything he got. Now even his good mate Pell won't own him.
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 12 December 2015 11:17:31 AM
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100% correct . Gillard was a masterpiece of a woman. Abbott had one last dig at her with the royal commission, which has not been worthy of 58 million $. The police could have done that for nothing. Then again Abbott’s ideas were generally failures. The king of backflipps is what he will be known as, amongst other things.
An absolute time of regret for au. The worst PM in history or the world. He has even inspired Trump.
Give a knighthood to man dingo or Prince Philip, there is no difference. Out of step with the world, AU, and his own party. That is when you know you do not belong anywhere.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 12 December 2015 11:41:44 AM
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Heh, heh, Suseonline, you'd be the Marxist-feminist's Nancy Reagan.

Any wonder, when you say that you never read posts, evidence and links that could challenge your opinions and world view.

The only machismo to be worried about in Australia is being imported as part of that leftist 'Progressive' 'diversity-Australia-has-to-have' that you support.

However as a Marxist-feminist albeit a Nancy Reagan type :) you DO avidly support more of those 'misunderstood' and 'unfairly maligned' (according to you!) Islamic men and would throw open Oz doors to them.

Here they are practicing their unique machismo in the UK, assisted by left and Labor dupes and the strong political correctness that exists in the UK (as in Australia),

<Rotherham council ignored child abuse by Asian gangs ['Asian' is PC for Kashmiris from Pakistan] because of 'misplaced political correctness', report concludes

Damning report into the Rotherham child sex exploitation scandal finds council riven by 'bullying, sexism, suppression and misplaced political correctness'

Misplaced political correctness by Rotherham’s Labour led council combined with a staggering culture of denial allowed more than 1,400 vulnerable girls to be routinely abused by gangs of Asian men, a withering report has concluded.

Children as young as nine were groomed, trafficked and raped by members of the town’s Pakistani community, but a desperation to avoid being labelled as racist meant councillors turned a blind eye to the appalling abuse for 16 years.

A damning report, written by former Victims’ Commissioner, Louise Casey, has laid bare the true extent of the council’s failings and accused those in charge of deliberately trying to cover up scandal and silence whistle-blowers.

Just minutes after the report’s findings were published the entire Labour Cabinet of Rotherham Council resigned and Communities Secretary Eric Pickles announced he was sending in Government Commissioners to run things until new elections could be held next year.>
http://tinyurl.com/nmg7oo2

But you are still holding that door open and chastising Tony Abbott for successfully stopping those boats. Gillard and the men who ruled her,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0MHRSFz6FM
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 12 December 2015 1:32:54 PM
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Have we run out of local news. Abbott was nothing but a fool, it’s hard to see someone still defending him. It shows how far to the right faction this beach bloke is. His own party got rid of him.
To blame a whole community of muslim’s for a few radical extremists is simply wrong. Everywhere in the world they say it is wrong. Here we have an ingrown hatred by a select part of au that can not see past their own nose. Misogynistic, Racist, anti feminist, and against everything in general. Abbott’s loving relationship with Canada went west also. Trump and Abbott, they both speak the same B?S.
Time moves on and so has Abbott.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 12 December 2015 2:01:50 PM
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Hi Suse

I of course meant the ring on a Cardinal's finger.

Not the object of a priest's special craving.

Butt returning to Tony. He said he'll wait until the next Federal Election before leaving politics.

More like Abbott will wait until Turnbull has comfortably won the next Election in 2016. Then Abbott will attempt to run a leadership campaign against Turnbull.

The Conservative Curmudgeons * that troll OLO's comment threads can only drool.

Aye onthebeach :)

* "curmudgeon" = "a crusty, ill-tempered, and usually old man"

see http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/curmudgeon ;p
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 12 December 2015 2:35:20 PM
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Onthebeach, it IS time to move on old boy. Abbott is so gone.
And he can't even manage to bow out gracefully, as it seems his stupid mouth still runs ahead of his brain, what with his 'advice' to Muslims about the Islam religion.

What IS it about you and Rotherham OTB?
You seem to have a morbid fascination with that whole awful scenario?

I think we can all agree that nasty, slimy paedophiles are plentiful in all societies and within all countries and religions.
One only needs to travel to many Asian/Indonesian countries to see/hear about all the paedophile Western white men who travel there purely to abuse the poor kids in those areas, so I don't see why you are just disgusted with the Pakistani paedophiles?

Aren't all these disgusting criminals just as bad as each other, including, and especially, Christian Clergy? Abbott's pal Pell is in trouble with the legal authorities here for allegedly protecting some of them no less...so he has developed a convenient 'heart trouble' over there in the holy city.
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 12 December 2015 6:44:22 PM
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Suseonline

You say -

Aren't all these disgusting criminals just as bad as each other, including, and especially, Christian Clergy? Abbott's pal Pell is in trouble with the legal authorities here for allegedly protecting some of them no less...so he has developed a convenient 'heart trouble' over there in the holy city.

You attack Tony Abbot’s religious beliefs and "lob" him in the mix – such a “flippant” comment.

We finally got a Senate Enquiry in 2004 into “child abuse” conducted on children, whether in Salvation Army operated homes, other catholic organisations, or any other “orphanage” facilities run by the government or any other agency.

Such findings (senate enquiry 2004) have now lead to the Royal Commission Enquiry into the extreme “level” of abuse conducted on such innocent children.

Suseonline – do some homework as to the Royal Commission’s work and “daily” evidence of abuse to victims presented before the Royal Commission.

It’s not only “catholics” as you aspire Tony Abbott’s mate George Pell....really!

Before attacking Tony Abbot – do some research on “other” institutions – who destroyed so many of the lives of “our youth” with their despicable abuse to children. You will unearth many totally "corrupt" people who were "supposedly" in charge of our "youth" of various religious beliefs - for their own "dispicable" pleasures.

You link Tony Abbott (by association of faith) with George Pell.

You really give "dis-service and have a total lack of respect" to all abused victims who now present to the Royal Commission.

George Pell is the person to respond to the Royal Commission "personally" - not Tony Abbott.
Posted by SAINTS, Saturday, 12 December 2015 8:06:23 PM
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Is that right Saints...are you ONthebeach's brother?
While I have a go at him insinuating that somehow Pakistani paedophiles are worse than other paedophiles, you decide I am now having a go at Catholics, as opposed to all others?

Didn't I say above that ALL paedophiles of any colour, race or religion are to be abhorred ? As this thread is about Toni Abbott, I was using his good mate Pell as an example of how anyone at all can be involved in some way with perpetrating or covering up this sort of crime. So what is your point?

Where did I say it was only Catholics who can be paedophiles?
Don't put words in my mouth like OTB does, as it is not an attractive trait...
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 12 December 2015 8:29:09 PM
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SAINers

1. Catholic clergy certainly get an inordinate number of mentions at the CURRENT Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_into_Institutional_Responses_to_Child_Sexual_Abuse#Background

2. Pell felt more secure fronting the CURRENT Royal Commission when his follower Abbott was Prime Minister.

Now that Abbott is gone Pell is too worried to come back to Australia to face the music.

3. Meanwhile one hopes Abbott is shipped out as Australian Ambassador to the Holy See (Vatican). That comfy job may be vacant next year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ambassadors_of_Australia_to_the_Holy_See .

Chums Pell and Abbott could be together.
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 12 December 2015 8:39:58 PM
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suseonline

Is that right Saints...are you ONthebeach's brother?

No - and don't know who on the beach is.
Posted by SAINTS, Saturday, 12 December 2015 9:08:30 PM
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Plantagent

You wrote –

" Catholic clergy certainly get an inordinate number of mentions at the CURRENT Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_into_Institutional_Responses_to_Child_Sexual_Abuse#Background”

Didn’t need to go to your URL as I have been following the Royal Commission into Child Abuse “daily” since inception.

You state –

. Pell felt more secure fronting the CURRENT Royal Commission when his follower Abbott was Prime Minister.

Really – well you obviously haven’t been following the Royal Commission and CURRENT evidence now presented by “higher up clergy members” and others with knowledge of abuse to children – many years prior to Abbot.

However, you can continue to hate Abbot – I don’t care., as abuse to “innocent youth” goes back to the 50’s.

Me/my (and many others) long journey of 20 years being seeking justice to those children abused by ANY person, whatever faith or denomination.

Did we give up and put this issue in the “to hard basket” all those years ago, when no one would listen – NO, we kept going.

So you can blame Abbott all you wish, however if you were viewing Royal Commission Enquiry on Friday you may know why the Commissioner “rejected” Cardinal Pell’s claim as not able to be in Australia – next week to give evidence as empanelled - , as he not well. So convenient and those attending in the gallery voiced their dismay. Such notification provided to the Commissioner on Thursday evening.

We wait until February.

Follow proceedings – then you can come back to me with any rebuff.
Posted by SAINTS, Saturday, 12 December 2015 9:41:19 PM
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Suseonline

I lost my brother to cancer this year.

Your post suggesting "on the beach" being my brother was rather insensitive to me and my family.
Posted by SAINTS, Saturday, 12 December 2015 10:09:39 PM
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SAINTS, I am sorry for your loss, but obviously I could not know this happened and thus am in no way insensitive towards you.

You can't take every comment on this forum personally or you won't be here long.
Didn't you read the previous comments on this thread before attacking my comment?
If you had you would have read Onthebeach's comment not too far back.
But I think you know that don't you?

Abbott is finished in politics, and it is time to move on.
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 12 December 2015 10:59:22 PM
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Well fellow commenters. I'm glad someone thinks "it's time to move on". ho ho ho. Really?
Clearly, Abbott and his ex-Speaker Bishop wish they were still there in the thick of it.

What West should have said that they both have Attention Deprivation Syndrome. ha ha we've invented a new social disease.

I bet what Turnbull wants for Chrissy is for someone to"rid me of this meddlesome ex-priest", as some English King once said, more or less.
Posted by Waverley, Sunday, 13 December 2015 8:44:20 AM
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Better make that Lord Voltemort where referring to ex-PM Abbott.

"He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named", lest the leftist 'Progressives' - who wouldn't recognise real Left if the was a Dept of Main Roads sign pointing the way - go into a blind panic. As if any of the old Lefties would ever sign up to the ridiculous, blind support of totalitarian Islam.

Likewise, what old Lefties would ever go along with the censorship and the denial of free speech of Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act that makes it unlawful for someone to do an act that is reasonably likely to “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate” someone because of their race or ethnicity.

BTT

It is true that women have always been revered in Australia and were always put on a pedestal. An example is the highly positive stereotype of women. However the 'Boomer' and earlier generations were raised to be polite and nice (Barry Humphries has commented on that). If anything, that was more of and influence on Tony Abbott than any suggested special loyalty to women.

The political campaign to unseat him was typically Marxist in its tactics, highly fabricated and effective. The key to his demise was his inability to pose as politicians do - that he could be all things to all men. He doubtless took advice on women policies from feminists in the House and the federal bureaucracy and that was used against him. Feminists are educated middle class and entitled and as he was slow top learn, are thinking of their own entitlement and do NOT represent women at all.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 13 December 2015 10:12:53 AM
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Yes but why did our nice ex PM have to give in too these women? The Queen is easily the most pleasant of them.
Why couldn't TA just say 'You've been great. I've been really grateful for your wise counsel. Now there's this job I want you to do in Santiago/The Vatican/ Helsinki/ Mars..." and get them out of public life? Nobody's answering the question- how unusual for these forums (fora?) but just rabbiting on about their own obsessions and concerns. I don't think it's about feminism, is it? Truly truly?
Posted by Waverley, Sunday, 13 December 2015 11:13:31 AM
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Waverley,

To take one example, Paid Parental Leave (PPL) landed Abbott in grievous difficulties for a very long time and never went away. Not only did the PPL parallel the generous entitlements that have been available to public servants for yonks (so guess where the advice for it came from), but since even back then over 55% of women public servants earned in excess of $90,000 pa, they were also the ones who would have obtained the most benefit from the proposed PPL.

Abbott was played on that policy, with the educated middle class women winning whichever way that went. If it got up they benefitted and if Abbott got a caning in the process or fell, they would still be celebrating at their next taxpayer-funded 'networking' knees-up at the Hilton.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 13 December 2015 10:36:31 PM
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Suseonline

Nope don’t take every comment personally. Have been around on OLO for many years, and several other sites.

Everyone can have his or her own opinion, without grouping people and consider they be related – due to their comments?

You say – Abbott is finished in politics, and it is time to move on.

Don’t have to move on, hadn’t moved in as an Abbott supporter, in the first place. We can all have an opinion though.

Not a supporter of any party - I make up my mind around voting time.
Posted by SAINTS, Sunday, 13 December 2015 10:58:57 PM
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I'm coming late to the discussion. However, everyone seems to be putting in their two cents worth about how regressive TA was for Australian politics (no objections from me). No one seems to have addressed the gender politics of the article.

Some quotes:

‘pushed herself much too much into the foreground’

‘Instead of being a helper and facilitator, she became a bossy micro-manager.’

‘Albrechtsen says Credlin had been heard to finish Abbott's sentences. And to correct his statements in front of foreign and Australian officials.’

‘So why did he seem afraid to put these two women in their place?‘

These quotes highlight what is still the problem of gender in Australian politics. Obviously, West is using this rhetoric tongue-in-cheek, but it still shows up the fatal flaws in how men generally react to how women are supposed to behave in most situations. Stand by your man, dear, or shut up.

The article presents TA as a man who couldn't control 'his' women. Maybe Malcolm Turnbull's more progressive policies will be better able to control 'his' women to his advantage, in accordance with more politically correct standards.
Posted by Killarney, Monday, 14 December 2015 5:34:07 AM
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Naughty West, tut tutt. Everything's about women, guys. And feminism. And what women think of feminism. And why men are to blame for not thinking about feminism more seriously. Groan.......
Posted by Waverley, Monday, 14 December 2015 9:09:31 AM
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Gillard hit the nail right on the head, when she chastised Abbott, and rightly so. Abbott’s arrogance came through as if he was the only one worthy of politics, and that carried through until the time he got knifed in spectacular fashion.
The man was just not suitable to be PM. We now have an intelligent, and statesman like figure as our leader. If Turnbull plays the game properly he will be there for 20 years +.
We are now on the road to recovery, I can not see any importance of examining Turnbull’s wealth other than sour grapes. Extreme far right was never for Australian politics or France by the sound of it
Posted by 579, Monday, 14 December 2015 9:51:43 AM
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Killarney, "The article presents TA as a man who couldn't control 'his' women. Maybe Malcolm Turnbull's more progressive policies will be better able to control 'his' women to his advantage, in accordance with more politically correct standards"

You've got a lot going on there and with that loaded 'progressive' word too. You see through a glass darkly. Or as you might womynsplain it, you are (mis)informed by your feminism.

It has been all very complicated for 80's feminists hasn't it, since the 'ideology' (sic, more self-serving narrative) and mantras of Leftists (who wouldn't recognise Left if the was a DMR road sign pointing the way) dominated feminism, which was long ago and laid bare the implausibility and BS artists of middle class white feminism. Here, this article might help and poster Waverley might read too,

<Carly Fiorina Blames The Left For Turning Feminism Into Political Ideology

Businesswoman and presidential candidate Carly Fiorina’s campaign has released talking points from a speech Fiorina will deliver on Thursday that will recognize the modern feminist movement as leftist propaganda, debunk the war on women, and redefine contemporary feminism.

“Feminism began as a rallying cry to empower women — to vote, to get an education, to enter the workplace,” the Washington Examiner reported that Fiorina will say. “But over the years, feminism has devolved into a left-leaning political ideology where women are pitted against men and used as a political weapon to win elections.”>

http://tinyurl.com/q9vkwhn

That is also what leftist 'Progressism' is all about too isn't it? Marxist tactics and slogans to misrepresent, slur and disrupt. The wolf in sheep's clothing being the overarching goal of international socialism: ultimately regressive, never progressive as far as democracy and freedom of speech are concerned.

Is it any wonder young women who have learned to think for themselves and be responsible for their own choices have such disregard and are repulsed by the overbearing, self-entitled and mercenary, educated, middle class feminists from the previous Millenium, dinos with steel-trap minds forged over half a century ago.
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 14 December 2015 10:10:57 AM
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Surely a person can be progressive without subscribing to feminist doctrine? Does one demand the other?
Posted by Waverley, Monday, 14 December 2015 11:35:03 AM
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'Surely a person can be progressive without subscribing to feminist doctrine? Does one demand the other?'

regressives obtain degrees in perverting language. eg gay use to mean happy, they now want to redefine the word marriage and they call a baby a foetus (a baby) in order to ease ones conscience.
Posted by runner, Monday, 14 December 2015 12:38:09 PM
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Well runner mate: gay means homosexual. That battle has been won, or lost.

Once in our lunch-room c. 1976, some old person said

"Oh look at all the men in their coloured shirts! Don't they look GAY !"

Nobody wore a coloured shirt for months afterwards.

Did anyone think to check the dictionary on what macho means? And what the Village People did to it? There's a PhD thesis for some enterprising spark !
Posted by Waverley, Monday, 14 December 2015 1:14:05 PM
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Waverley,

The common usage of 'gay' for Generation Y and later (and probably taught to their parents) is anything but gay, as in the previous meaning of gay, as in carefree etc, or the later liberal redefined meaning, ie homosexual, usually male.

To a GenY or later, who must have suffered dreadfully at the hands of the liberal (a misnomer if there ever was one) thought police, reacted as young people do and should.

If your post was described as gay, what do you take that as meaning? -Just trying to make a point..

I agree with you that leftists here have aped the Marxist tactics of their liberal counterparts in the US (mainly) and have been busy redefining terms. George Orwell would be rolling in his grave at the redefining of 'discrimination' for instance.

I presume you are saying that the Cultural War criticised by Peter Hitchens and others has been fought and won? Perhaps not, the young are reacting to the tyranny of political correctness.
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 14 December 2015 2:55:24 PM
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OTB

Reports that feminism was always a left-wing movement are greatly exaggerated. Sure, Betty Friedan was left-leaning, but one swallow does not make a summer.

Trust me. As a feminist, I've run the gauntlet of EXTREME!! anti-feminist hostility from left-wing men over the years. In fact, I have had to face the very unpalatable conclusion that a lot of left-wing men are far MORE sexist than right-wing men.

At least, right-wing men (and anti-feminist right-wing women) are honest about their steadfast belief that men are infinitely superior to women in every way, shape and form and that women were put on this earth to serve men's every emotional, physical and sexual need. Left-wing men are totally DITTO on this, but don't ever expect them to admit it. Their ever so sensitive social-justice intellects are too much up their anti-oppression arses to friggin well realise that they actually might form part of an oppressive class, i.e. men. To lefty males, oppression is only something that the rich and powerful do, not working (but, really, middle) class heroes like themselves ... no, never.

So, where was I before I started ranting? Oh, yes. Reports about feminism being left-wing are greatly exaggerated. So too, this BS about feminists all being white and middle class. The basic fundamentals of feminism transplant fairly efficiently into all cultures, classes, religions, minorities and majorities. For example, Saudi Arabian feminists have now achieved a victory that Western feminists achieved 100 years ago. The fact that it came 100 years late to the party makes it no less of a victory.
Posted by Killarney, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 3:37:26 AM
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Killarney- I think you make some good points. Good for you

Why should men and women always agree?

Better a right wing ranter than some insincere guy "oh I'm a feminist, um, what are you doing tonight, love?"

enjoy your week...
Posted by Waverley, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 6:31:50 AM
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