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Islamic State appeal really isn’t radical at all : Comments

By David Martin Jones, published 16/11/2015

But what does deradicalisation mean and does it really address Islamic State’s sophisticated ideological messaging?

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article, "The flow of young, second-generation Muslim men and women reared in secular multicultural societies to Islamic State demonstrates the success of this messaging"

The flow of young, second-generation Muslim men and women reared in secular multicultural societies to Islamic State would not be possible in the first place if the 'diversity' tail was not wagging the immigration policy dog.

As a sop to winning short term UN approval and with hope to win seats in western Sydney and a few other marginal electorates, Labor and Greens bend over backwards (forwards too!), to placate the noisy extremists - easily recognisable political lobbyists who are often given a podium by the taxpayer-funded ABC.

Why do federal governments give preference to immigrants from cultures with traditions, values and political systems that are diametrically opposed to our own? The feds have to knock back more suitable migrants to import from high risk cultures.

That is playing fast and loose with Australian culture and public safety and knowingly introducing risks that will NOT go away in a lifetime.

All of the bunk from apologists who say that it doesn't matter what toxic values, traditions and behaviours migrants are capable of introducing because the second generation will be 'Aussie', flagrantly disregard the scientific evidence that differences, especially ones that matter, may not only be maintained by migrants, but it is usual and expected for some to magnify the cultural differences. That is apparent even where the homeland of origin has made illegal and largely got rid of nasty cultural practices such as kidnap brides and honor killing.

Australian politicians travel abroad far too much and in trying to impress make decisions that are plumb crazy back home. -Why would Australia, a country that has always put the needs of migrants first and taken so many since WW2, be committed by politicians like that smirking Turnbull to rush in and rescue in Europe?

As if any of the countries involved or the economic migrants give a rat's behind about Australia, that is except to take advantage of its integrating politicians who strut the world stage.
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 16 November 2015 1:04:34 PM
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Last para should be,

"As if any of the countries involved or the economic migrants give a rat's behind about Australia, that is except to take advantage of its ingratiating politicians who strut the world stage."
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 16 November 2015 1:15:37 PM
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A load of waffle that will not add to the STOPPING OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM, which is what we should be working on. " What is radicalism?", advertising and magazines is silly talk. More to the point is a discussion on how to remove Muslims from the West for good, and carpet bombing of Muslim countries until they take responsibility for their vile religion and the Koran's vicous dictats against anything and anyone non-Muslim.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 16 November 2015 1:33:32 PM
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Here's a radical thought. Why don't we do what Churchill and Eisenhower did after the Nazi's attacked and bombed and strafed our population centres.

Carpet bomb Raqqa and the other population centres in the muslim state.

And if that doesn't work, do what Truman did to the Militarist Japanese when they wouldn't give up. Nuke the muslim state.

End of story, except then sit back and watch the cowards change the religion of peace.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 16 November 2015 1:37:59 PM
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Education isn't the answer, most Western Jihadis are well educated, many in fact seem to be obsessive about self improvement and attaining enlightenment. The Koran marries social justice with militarism, banditry and guerrilla warfare are just as valid as philanthropy and altruism in Islam, Muslims are permitted to be merciful or murderous as circumstances require.
Someone brought up the consequences borne by the Germans and Japanese after the second war but do people really understand what "De Nazification" entailed?
Apart from the executions, mass incarcerations, massacres, starvation and ethnic cleansing meted out to millions of Germans in the late 1940's De Nazification is still going on today.
Virtually any public allusion to the NSDAP, it's policies or symbols is harshly punished in the EU, five years in prison is the usual sentence for "attempting to re-activate National Socialism".
Is this what Australians want? Do we want to see kids jailed for five years for Tweeting support for the Caliphate or praising suicide bombers?
The other point arising from that train of thought can be expressed simply, "Do you believe in the Holocaust or not?"
Well do you?
What if every bad thing Liberals and Leftists say about Europeans is true and after one bombing or massacre too many we suddenly flip from indifference to full blown genocide?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 16 November 2015 2:42:35 PM
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For a different perspective on the various family, tribal, cultural and religious contexts of why young men become involved in the ISIS death cult please check out the essay What I Discovered From Interviewing Imprisoned ISIS Fighters by Lydia Wilson.
Note the reference (towards the end) re the invasion of Iraq by the coalition of the killing.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 16 November 2015 2:57:43 PM
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