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Paying the problem: Australia and the people smuggling industry : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 2/11/2015

Nothing can get away from the fact that markets to move people find form when regulations restricting movement exist. As borders tighten, the market for people smugglers improves.

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There's the law and then there's common sense.

Paying the people smugglers to take the asylum seekers back
When they weren't going to be allowed to Stay in Australia and Indonesia had made
A complaint about Australian navy ships breaching their territorial waters to
take Asylum seekers back, it made sense to have the smugglers
Take them back.

This is the same Indonesia, that had not one navy patrol boat
In those same territorial waters between Australia and Indonesia at the
Hight of the extremely lucrative people smuggling racket.
The author of this article doesn'T mind every avoidance of legal channels
by Indonesia and the people smugglers and asylum seekers, but
Rabidly shouts, "against the law!" at our government.

There in lies the whole problem with the civil liberties and their human rights
Law courts.
It has been said that the law is an ass, and in terms of common sense versus
The law rule book our law courts are indeed being made an ass of, by
Those who do not have the welfare of the west at heart.
Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 1:01:59 AM
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When it comes to the open borders mob dreaming up something, anything, to get outraged about, the idea that the Australian Border Protection people were smart enough to pay the crews of illegal immigrants to take them back to Indonesia would have to be the silliest.

Notice to Binoy. We just don't give a crap. we applaud it. we don't want Australia looking like the sort of country you fled from before you came here and actually got paid very well by us taxpayers to work against our interests.

When you wanted to immigrate, you did not choose Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, or Pakistan. The reason why was because these people are dangerous and the societies they created through their medieval cultures are not fit to live in. We don't want them in our country either. You may be able to avoid them in Australia on the sort of money that you earn, but us ordinary Australians have to deal with them every day and we don't like them.

So give your feigned moral outrage to somebody who cares
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 2:28:34 AM
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"The number of offenders proceeded against by police in Australia during 2013-14 increased by 4% (14,508 offenders) to a total of 405,692."

Australian Bureau of Statistics 4519.0 - Recorded Crime - Offenders, 2013-14 Quality Declaration
LATEST ISSUE Released at 11:30 AM (CANBERRA TIME) 25/02/2015

So again the "threat" from refugees is minuscule in terms of crime as compared to the GUP (Great Unwashed Public of dinky di aussies) and yes over the next 10 years refugees may be disproportionately represented in the unemployed as you would expect because of cultural, educational and vocational issues.

Hardly worth losing sleep over and certainly doesn't justify the government's abandonment of international law.
Posted by Peter King, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 11:46:44 AM
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Daily Telegraph Feb. 9 2010

Sydney has Australia's largest proportion of Middle Eastern-born residents, but in a city of more than four million people they still number only about 120,000. Undeniably the community is disproportionately represented in criminal activity. You only need to go to the jails to see what NSW prison's officers have come to call their "Gaza Strip".

The Age August 20, 2012

SUDANESE and Somali-born Victorians are about five times more likely to commit crimes than the wider community, a trend that must be addressed to prevent Cronulla-style social unrest, police warn.

Exclusive police statistics also show immigrants were behind a quarter of robberies, a fifth of sex assaults, abductions and kidnappings, and 3792 assaults. But the 2006 Census shows that 1.17 million people, or 26 per cent of Victoria's population, were born overseas. The anatomy of crime in Victoria, obtained by the Sunday Herald Sun, shows those born in Somalia, Lebanon and New Zealand had the highest crime-per-population rates in Victoria. They are followed by Turkish, Vietnamese and then Australian-born criminals.

Australian Institute of Criminology

research reveals that certain source countries for the Australian immigration program produce criminals at a rate far exceeding their population proportion, hardly a desirable outcome for the future of Australia.

The Age Feb 30 2007

A young rapist who attacked a 63-year-old woman and three teenagers in three days has been jailed for 24 years. Hakeem Hakeem, 21, the father of a two-year-old boy, blinked, but showed no emotion when Justice Murray Kellam imposed sentence. Justice Kellam said the crimes, which he described as horrific, violent and debauched, took place about a month after Hakeem arrived in Australia as a refugee from Sudan.

Herald Sun Feb 4 2007

Denmark's Government this month issued a report suggesting migrants from non-Western countries cost the state $3.5 billion a year, while those from the West contributed $450 million in taxes. It added that by toughening up its immigration laws in 2001, mainly to deter immigrants from poorer and Muslim countries, Denmark saved itself $10 billion over 10 years, largely in social security payments
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 4:56:29 PM
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A ship leaving any country to voyage to another country has to get
a clearance from the Harbour master including a passenger list.
None of the boats did this and the Indonesion authorities waved them
goodbye rather than enforcing the law and preventing them leaving.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 5:50:07 PM
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Peter
I refer to meeting of Hizab ut Tahrir - Innocent Until proven Muslem? oh please!

As reported on news earlier this week and in today's telegraph - I quote from today's Daily Telegraph "Sydney Muslems should shun government counter terrorism programs and disrupt police investigations, Islamic organisation Hizab ut-Tahir says. The Sydney-based organisation claimed the federal government was forcing them to become "Aussie Muslims". The government targets the Muslim community under the guise of counter-terrorism policy, seeking to mould the community in the way it wants - a way unacceptable to Muslims".

So the Australian Government has just spent $47M on what? after this rant from Hizb ut-Tahrir.

If we as taxpayers are paying for this - all those that don't wish to assimilate and embrace our Western Culture - please leave.

The $47M from Australian Government could be re-directed to our homeless, and many other well worthwhile causes.
Posted by SAINTS, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 7:07:29 PM
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