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When lives count for nought : Comments

By Vic Alhadeff, published 2/11/2015

The difference between the reaction to the response to the Parramatta attack and the reaction to the responses to the wave of attacks unleashed on Israeli civilians could not be more telling.

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The difference between the MEDIA reaction (this author has no idea what individuals think about foreign tragedies and killings) to Parrammatta and Isreal, Palestine etc., is that the Parrammatta murder occurred in Australia, and an Australian was murdered by a terrorist.

Anyone with a modicum of common sense and still living and breathing knows that the people closest to us are more important than those we don't know at all. Family, neighbourhood, state, country then, way down the list, people far away and unknown. It's human nature.

The Chair of the NSW Community Relations Commission really should not be wasting his time, and NSW money, lecturing people on how we should feel about foreigners
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 2 November 2015 10:54:48 AM
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Perhaps the general population in Australia view Israel's treatment of Palestine in the same way that the Australian government treats asylum seekers on Manus and Nauru...shameless, hypocritical and mostly illegal in International jurisdictions.
Posted by Peter King, Monday, 2 November 2015 12:22:10 PM
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Dear Vic Alhadeff,

The wave of stabbings in Jerusalem is indeed shocking, it must make life there very uncomfortable and highly stressful for its residents.

I also take the point about the press coverage and I understand how it would concern and frustrate you.

But in a very real sense can't you be rightly accused of exactly the same selectiveness? You have failed to state that Rabbi Aharon Bennett was an Israeli Defence Force soldier and Rabbi Nehemia Lavi was a reservist who was armed and came prepared to kill the attacker.

The greater number of Palestinian attacks have been directed toward soldiers, police and other security services. What is particularly distressing involvement of Bennett's wife and young children who sustained injuries. While attacks on armed occupying forces might have some legitimacy, attacks on civilians most certainly don't and I condemn such as terrorism.

Should we regard policemen or unarmed soldiers with their families as legitimate? I don't.

Here is your problem. During the Gaza conflict Israelis targeted policemen in their homes. They slaughtered them and their families and many including yourself claimed moral authority for them to do so.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/gaza-police-chief-survives-israeli-airstrike-on-family-home-but-bombs-kill-18-relatives-including-children

Indeed - “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 2 November 2015 12:48:46 PM
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"Compare the above to the reaction which Israel and Israelis ...etc"

No, I will not be doing that at all. It is a fallacious false comparison, manipulative rhetoric and emotional blackmail.

If the author has a case to argue and I am not saying he hasn't, he should be putting in the hard yards and arguing the rights and wrongs and his solution to the tiresome, bloody Middle East.
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 2 November 2015 1:10:49 PM
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Perhaps Peter King should stop inventing scurrilous rubbish about the Australian government mistreating illegal immigrants - criminals who were looking to have an easy life spending welfare dollars provided by Australians.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 2 November 2015 1:27:47 PM
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ttbn, he, the author does have a point, but it is not about us, so much as the left wing media. They were some of them down playing the Parramatta attack as being politically motivated until we shouted them down on talk back radio.

Peter King, what is wrong with treating criminals like criminals?

SteeleRedux, islam has 1,400 years of jihad history.

onthebeach, nothing could be easier than solving the Middle East problem.

ttbn, correct.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Monday, 2 November 2015 5:24:14 PM
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Regarding the situation in Israel,the strongly Zionist influenced mainstream media tries to portray Jews as poor victims while in fact opinions and actions against them are largely reactions to dirty things some of them have little conscience about doing to goyim (non Jews). This seems to have happened throughout history. Now thanks to the Internet with alternative media and social networking, it can be readily seen that retaliatory attacks by Palestinians are largely reactions to atrocities committed by the state of Israel against them. Starting off by continually stealing more land for Jewish settlements. Seems regarding the recent war in Gaza especially, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, who is obviously in power because of strong support from Zionist sympathisers in USA and UK is currently the world's leading war criminal at large. Is interesting to note opposition by some Jews to existence of a Jewish state. See www.nkusa.org
Posted by mox, Monday, 2 November 2015 5:28:36 PM
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Here is the real difference

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/10/25/gods-chosen-people-guest-column-by-stephen-lensman/
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Monday, 2 November 2015 5:35:13 PM
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This article deliberately muddies the waters by comparing two different things – the laudable courage of an individual who, seeing a murderous attack under way, acted to stop the perpetrator; and legitimate criticism of the policies and actions of a Government that might have contributed to the attack happening.
Posted by Rhian, Monday, 2 November 2015 5:35:28 PM
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Dear imacentristmoderate,

You wrote;

“islam has 1,400 years of jihad history”

and Christianity has had near 2000 years of the most insidious, depraved and evil persecution of the Jewish people culminating in the horrors which saw nearly half of that race destroyed.

Perhaps however we might park the generalisations and focus on the events in Israel and Palestine. Was there anything in my post you found inaccurate or misleading? If so I would like to hear it.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 2 November 2015 6:03:10 PM
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The article attacks the media. It is quite clear that the media is
what the moslems call "useful idiots".
They call them thus because they take up the cause and sympathise
with the moslems who will put the media out of business when they take over.

I suspect none of you have seen the video of the imman in his pulpit
in Gaza screeming, while stabbing with a knife, "Kill the Jews, stab stab stab" !
The whole problem is based on a lie promulgated by the moslems that
the Jews are the occupiers when in fact it is the moslems that are the occupiers.

One article that I read said that the original Palestinians are in
fact seagoing people from Cyprus. The present "Palestinians" however
are Arabs originally from Southern Arabia.
All very messy but could we go back to York and claim that city from
the Viking or Celtic descendants ?
You could make up hundreds of similar situations.

I do not think anyone would suggest killing all the present residents.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 2 November 2015 10:18:35 PM
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Dear Bazz,

Yup. Seen the video of the religious nutter in Gaza.

Also seen this one of an Israeli officer threatening to gas women and children in a refugee camp until they die.

http://youtu.be/SaHfP9zDt1M

"People of Aida refugee camp, we are the occupation forces. You throw stones and we will hit you with gas until you all die. The children, the youth, the old people - you will all die, we won't leave any of you alive"

"We have arrested one of you. He is with us now. We took him from his home and we will slaughter and kill him while you watch if you keep throwing stones,"

"Go home or we will gas you until you die. Your families, your children, everyone - we will kill you."

Should he be condemned too or does he get a free pass because he has 'been provoked'?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 2 November 2015 10:54:46 PM
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Good to see the link above posted by Geoff of Perth to Paul Craig Roberts and Stephen Lendman. Both from USA and strong critics of some of its governments policies and exposers of the real hidden agendas. I have seen many posts from each of them from regularly looking at www.globalresearch.ca. Seems to me that there are some honourable Jews - who are amongst those (including of www.nkusa.org) strongly opposed to what could be described as "Zioslime". I have some first hand experience of the latter from involvement in a voluntary organisation based in Melbourne which had a Jewish woman and later a Jewish man largely separately getting into positions of power then trying to divert resources for their own benefits. Was the first whistleblower on improper things done by this woman and her then boyfriend., She used some nasty tactics to try and silence me and for revenge. However, was eventually run out of the organisation after what she was became well recognised.
Posted by mox, Monday, 2 November 2015 11:28:46 PM
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Steel, I notice that the video was suggested to be not real.
May well be real, but that sort of gas is not readily available so it
was probably bluff.
Not a good way to go about it all, but then the whole are is a mess.

I just wonder how bad it will get as the money from oil sales declines.
Saudi Arabia is already feeling the pinch.
As their economies collapse they may be too busy trying to survive to
worry other people.

Israel is an importer of oil, not an exporter so it will not be as catastrophic as it will be for the Arabs.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 12:35:14 PM
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mox, Geoff of Perth, Rhian, i hear where you are coming from & agree about radical, extreme, zionist communists who infect the Arts, Entertainment, Media, Education & financial services industries. But conservative people of the Jewish faith are no problem. Every racial, religious or ethnic group has the right to exist & a homeland of their own. islam will never live in peace with anything that is not islam or any one who is not muslim.

Bazz, too true,

RustyRedux, Q, how do you negotiate with a criminally insane muslim socio/psychopath? A, & here i am talking to a criminally insane communist socio/psychopath in a vain attempt help you with your mental illness. BTW, christianity has the highest morals, ethics, principles in world history & has never killed one single person anywhere on earth at any time in world history.

UN-like your radical, extreme, left wing religious cult of death.

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2015/03/socialism-is-based-on-a-philosophy-of-death/
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 7:58:16 AM
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Further to my last post;
Saudi Arabia has just had its credit rating reduced to A+.

Straws in the wind ?
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 12:45:04 PM
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