Bugsy, LOL 'friend of the workers'

Nice deflection but the "leftists colluding with big business" had me recognising the hypocrisy of the 100% evil, ruling, left wing elites.

Maybe you should think about international banksters & the 100 richest families on earth gambling on carbon derivatives with money stolen from the 99.99% by 'leftists' who collude with biggest businesses on earth.

You people are very evil.

All in all I would give you a 3/10 for the spin, but the rest is just, well, dumb.

Leftists colluding with big business about carbon derivatives, lowering workers pay in return for bribes? How does THAT work? A, sick. Mate you got to work on your consistency. I know you think you're clever, but it just doesn't come across on the internet or anywhere. in 1788 the gap between rich & poor began narrowing, in 1972 the gap between rich & poor began widening again, thanks to PLY, people like you.

I preferred the humour. This conspiracy nut ranting is getting dull.

The paragon, "pin up" kid, communist agitator of the lefties, Bernie Fraser says;

"there is not a case for shifting to cleaner coal production, instead of a total moratorium on new coal mines.

"The reality is that even with those targets for post-2020 emissions reductions the world is headed for, not two degrees, but for at least a three-degree increase in temperatures, and that has some pretty worrying and harmful consequences," he said.

"None of these changes, these types of policies, are without cost but the costs of not doing these kinds of things and having to contend with a three-degree increase in global warming, or even something bigger than that, those costs are even greater."

We are straying off topic (CFC) but the usual suspects here that can't use logic and intellectual argument always resort to "its a left plot" or similar strategy!

Dear Don,

Perhaps my good fellow you might take the time to put a touch more effort into your articles.

If you had done so you would have undoubtedly found, in very short order as I did, that CFCs hang around in the atmosphere for markedly long periods. The following are mean life times in the atmosphere for each of the major CFCs;

CFC 11 --- 57-105 yrs, Mean 74 yrs

CFC 12 --- 67-333 yrs, Mean 111yrs

CFC 113 --- 136-195yrs

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~martins/isohydro/cfcs.html

The annual mean tropospheric concentration of CFC 11 in the Southern hemisphere peaked at 269.65ppt in 1994 (doubling from 1977). It is now 231.97ppt.

CFC 12 peaked at 541.6ppt in 2003 (doubling from 1978). It is now 521.08ppt.

CFC 113 peaked at 82.67ppt in 1997 (doubling from 1986). It is now 72.56ppt.

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/oceans/new_atmCFC.html

While there certainly has been some reduction in concentrations it has been modest at best with the main CFC 12 molecule only falling by around 4%.

All this is entirely consistent with the science and NASA's findings.

So in essence what you have done is taken a shallow prop piece from WUWT, thrown a few insipid phrases around it in an attempt to weaken the case for an accord in Paris.

Please tell me why I and others should not consider this article as lazy, intellectually dishonest, and reflecting poorly on any expectation of academic rigor from you.

Dear Bugsy,

There is a very solid rule I have observed in the AGW debate.

There are those who will respond to the arguments with facts and figures and are prepared to argue with evidence.

Then there are those who avoid rational debate at all cost. This type usually fall into one of these categories; too lazy to do the work, too ignorant to understand anything beyond a platitude, or just plain nuts.

imacentristmoderate has a dash of the first, a good helping of the second, but is primarily a shining example of the last.

No need to take him too seriously.

Bugsy, I would prefer some honesty instead of the cheap, nasty humour. This conspiracy nut ranting is getting dull & ALL i have ever encountered from communists who never do anything other than lie.

Peter King, The paragon, "pin up" kid, communist agitator of the lefties, Bernie Fraser "the bankster" says;

"we need to pay a price on the air we breath & give the cash to banksters, so they can inflate another bubble market for carbon derivatives which will hopefully create a "crisis in capital markets" hopefully bringing down capitalism"

We are straying off topic (CFC) but the usual suspects here that can't use logic and intellectual argument always resort to "it's NOT a left plot" when it is, or similar strategy!

Dear SteeleRedux, Perhaps my good fellow you might take the time to put a touch more effort into your articles.

Please tell me why I and others should not consider this comment as lazy, intellectually dishonest, and reflecting poorly on any expectation of academic rigor from you.

So according to you, right wing academics are lying & big business M is benefiting from those lies. Meanwhile Don says left wing academics are lying & big business B is benefiting from those lies.

Please tell me how middle of the road swinging voters are supposed to tell whether it is left or right academics who are lying? Does past form give us a clue?

History tells us that usury or banksters stealing from the 99.99% has been with us since Jesus played for Jerusalem.

17. Use universities as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of lecturers associations. Put communist propaganda in textbooks.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of editorial writing, policy-making positions.

32. give any socialist centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat] & dominate the psychiatric profession.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Communist