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Turnbull's response to domestic violence ignores the evidence : Comments

By Brendan O'Reilly, published 6/10/2015

Turnbull was effectively toeing the line pushed by feminists that intimate partner violence is the result of society condoning aggressive behaviours perpetrated by men.

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Sorry for my “ no ladies comment “ but it has worked. I was wondering where the other three was Poirot, foxy and Sus.
Tony You are a special kind of male. I am going to say I believe what you say.

Celibacy is a church requirement for some, but as we know it has not worked, and to what extent I say we will never know. For every one that gets caught I bet there are 5 that get away.
This subject is crucial to DV investigations.

Everybody is different to an extent, all I can comment on is the male’s side of events, well most males. All males that I have ever came in contact with through work or play are sex fiends.

I solidly believed that to be normal. It just means you are aware of a female in your midst and take notice.

Because you are a married man,that does not stop you from looking, and images flowing through your mind. Does it. Not in the males I have ever known anyway.

Sex in marriage I find is a compromise. I am allowed set dates and I do not forget or pass up on. 43 years now and never ever missed an opportunity. That is why I am so adamant that sex is crucial in marriage and you must have a calendar or whatever you use to never let a chance go by. I mean a compromise or agreement of terms of trade.
You must suite both sides, how else can you be happy. If you do not have an agreement besides not having anything to look forward to , you can end up with the 5 year scenario. And that is you have a glass jar full of stones and every time you have a win you take one stone out of the jar, and count the Years it took to empty the jar, then you put one stone back and see how many years it takes to fill the jar. If life is that long.
Posted by doog, Saturday, 10 October 2015 8:21:59 AM
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Follow up to the comments re CTS

The arguments are well covered in the article I referenced yesterday.

Simply put from my perspective there is a massive tendency from supporters of the gendered version of DV to significantly overstate limitations to CTS and a corresponding tendency to ignore glaring problems in the methodology of the research they rely on (and often there is no research just feminist dogma).

There is a vast body of research demonstrating something close to gender symmetry across most aspects of DV including use of DV as a control mechanism. Not so when it comes to fatalities (but still a lot closer than you heard from the PM and in public coverage of Intimate partner homicides. There has been a lot of work done to validate the findings of the survey material using a variety of means. Far more valid in it's findings at understanding patterns of DV than methods supporting the gendered view of DV.

Rhian, "There is broad agreement that the consequences of IPV are more severe for women than for men (hence the strong asymmetry in the agency data)" - There is some interesting material on that as well. I don't think the agreement is all that widespread although it appears to be a relatively new area of serious study from what I've seen. The line has been used for a long time and I suspect that socialisation and other factors make some of the visible signs of impact less obvious.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Saturday, 10 October 2015 7:34:31 PM
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doog/Toni

Your steadfast - but all too common - belief that men are always on the make and that women simply 'provide' sex to men is an entrenched cultural belief system, that is routinely muddled with voodoo evolutionary 'science' that assumes it's all down to hormones.

The basis of this belief system is that women have no real sex drive of their own unless and until it is necessary for them to provide it as a service to men for the sake of romantic or financial security. If this belief system were not so pervasive in the culture, conditioning both men and women alike, it would be seen for revolting premise it really is.

In fact, it's the basis of what all those pesky feminists mean when they talk about 'rape culture'. Portraying marriage as a system in which women apportion a quota of sex to their husbands according to a 'calendar' or whatever, so that their husbands will not look elsewhere, completely disregards any notion that women are sexual agents in their own right - with their own sexual needs or agenda.

Why not ask yourselves what it is like to be a woman in such a culture - brought up to believe that sex is something that you must provide a man, instead of a normal, natural part of being a human being?

If you are wondering why women don't hang around too long on these gender threads, perhaps it's because they feel too exasperated and disgusted by men who seem to feel that virtually every problem that exists between men and women is the result of women not 'providing' men with the sex that they feel so entitled to.

So, after this comment, you'll be pleased to know that there will be one less woman contributing to this thread. I'll leave you gentlemen to chat amongst yourselves about how women just don't seem to 'get' the sanctimonious importance of the male sex drive.
Posted by Killarney, Sunday, 11 October 2015 10:38:42 PM
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<It’s Time to End ‘Rape Culture’ Hysteria

The nation's largest and most influential anti-sexual-violence organization is rejecting the idea that culture — as opposed to the actions of individuals — is responsible for rape.

..Twenty-first century America does not have a rape culture; what we have is an out-of-control lobby leading the public and our educational and political leaders down the wrong path. Rape-culture theory is doing little to help victims, but its power to poison the minds of young women and lead to hostile environments for innocent males is immense.
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RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) is America’s largest and most influential anti-sexual-violence organization. It’s the leading voice for sexual-assault victim advocacy. Indeed, rape-culture activists routinely cite the authority of RAINN to make their case. But in RAINN’s recent recommendations to the White House Task Force to Protect Students from Sexual Assault, it repudiates the rhetoric of the anti–“rape culture” movement:

In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campus. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important not to lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime...

By blaming so-called rape culture, we implicate all men in a social atrocity, trivialize the experiences of survivors, and deflect blame from the rapists truly responsible for sexual violence. RAINN explains that the trend of focusing on rape culture “has the paradoxical effect of making it harder to stop sexual violence, since it removes the focus from the individual at fault, and seemingly mitigates personal responsibility for his or her own actions.”

Moral panic over “rape culture” helps no one — least of all, survivors of sexual assault.>
http://time.com/30545/its-time-to-end-rape-culture-hysteria/
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 12 October 2015 3:46:36 AM
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Killarney Man is entitled to sex while married, isn’t that in the wedding vowels. I think it is far better to have a calendar than be confronted with a headache. That leaves the man in a very uncomfortable position. And undoubtedly a cause for DV. I would never say women don’t have their own sex drive, on added extra’s are very much appreciated.

I could be wrong in some cases that women need more sex than men, I believe that to be in the minority. If a man ever gets raped by a woman it would be a very special, or un-special man that takes offence. Men actively hunt sex more than women.

Women with-holding sex is getting to be more prominent now than ever before, it is a problem through the whole western world. Women are not seeing themselves as housewives; they are equals to man, in their work and social life. Gone are the days when a woman would not go out alone. Today it is a hired house cleaner, online shopping, child minders and a separate bank account. And good on them.

If all of this can not be fairly managed it leaves it self open to conflict [ DV ]

Killarney do not go . the other women I was referring to Paul said they were on a tropical island
Posted by doog, Monday, 12 October 2015 7:09:30 AM
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The needs of a male are intensive, and probably out of proportion to a lot of females. The whole of marriage is a compromise one way or the other, and sex is definitely on the agenda. I am sorry if it in any way sounds one sided, but men are men and that is one thing women will never change.

Is DV a bi-product of household power struggle. The subject of sex may be awkward for women to talk about. But it needs to be talked about or the subject of DV will never be complete. If sex is not discussed as a part of DV a solution will never be found. Sex is the glaring beacon in the corner that no one can find.

Countries that are not westernized have a totally different way of married life, where the wife is a housewife and child minder and the man is king. They do not seem to have the serious crimes that are committed between man and woman.

Australian women do not see that lifestyle as an option any more, and that leaves itself open to conflict and DV. This whole subject probably challenges the whole concept of marriage as is. Like some have marital contracts.
Posted by doog, Monday, 12 October 2015 7:10:41 AM
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