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Why is British politics so fragmented? : Comments

By Mal Fletcher, published 9/4/2015

Will any political party ever again command a mandate to govern on its own? Will any party leader ever again speak with authority to and for a constituency beyond their own members and committed supporters?

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' The silent British majority are still shell-shocked by supposed '

Yes Raycom because secularism is based very much on the basis of individual selfishness as opposed to the good of society. The homosexual lobby is just one of many groups who puts their selfish interest in front of what is good for the whole. What was held as decent is now trashed and demonised.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 9 April 2015 12:51:51 PM
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Raycom,

"Former Minister for Education, Michael Gove told the Daily Telegraph this week that people of Christian faith are marginalised in certain debates because they are intimidated.”

I hope you're not inferring that the likes of dear runner are marginalised "because" of their Christian faith?

If runner is challenged on this forum, the one and only reason is that "runner" is amongst the most abusive and belligerent posters around here.

Nary a day goes by when he doesn't paste fellow posters with the most heinous and insulting epithets...all the while hiding behind his "Christianity" as some sort of mitigating essence.

It would serve him well to learn some respect - and perhaps cease his provocative, offensive and judgmental slandering of fellow posters.
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 9 April 2015 3:06:27 PM
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Poirot

runner has the same right to exercise his freedom of speech as you do.

runner happens to be well informed about attacks on, and the suppression of, religious freedom, both here and internationally.

The following Brendan O’Neill observations of what happened in France, USA and Britain, are pertinent:

“Consider France. Hundreds of thousands of French people — or ‘bigots’, as the gay-marriage lobby brands anyone who disagrees with it — marched against the legalisation of gay marriage in 2013. And they were beaten and tear-gassed by riot cops. Parisians in t-shirts celebrating traditional marriage were arrested for holding ‘unauthorised protests’. In the words of Parisian writer John Laughland, critics of gay marriage were turned into ‘ideological enemies’ of the French state. It’s a funny expansion of freedom that so violently pummels the right to protest.

Consider America. The authorities there haven’t had to whip out their truncheons because non-state mobs have policed the opponents of gay marriage on their behalf. In the words of the author Damon Linker, a supporter of gay marriage, Americans who raise even a peep of criticism of gay marriage face ‘ostracism from public life’. We saw this with the medieval hounding of Brendan Eich out of his job at Mozilla after it was revealed that — oh, the humanity! — he isn’t a massive fan of gays getting married. Linker says the gay-marriage brigade has created a menacing climate, where the aim seems to be to ‘stamp out rival visions’. Americans who fail to bow at the altar of same-sex hitching, from wedding photographers to cake-makers, are harassed and boycotted and sometimes put out of business. The ‘freedom to marry’ clearly trumps the freedom of conscience."
Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 9 April 2015 4:41:20 PM
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"Consider Britain. One of the first things gay campaigners here did when they won the right to marry was demand Catholic schools be forced to teach that gay marriage is as good as straight; even though they don’t believe this. Screw you, freedom of religion. Perhaps Catholic schools should bring back ‘priest holes’ to discuss their beliefs free from the watchful stare of the gay-marriage lobby, which, in Linker’s words, demands ‘psychological acceptance’ of gay marriage from all.

Why is this alleged freedom so feverishly embraced by politicians who can’t spell the word freedom? There’s David Cameron, demolisher of press freedom; French officials, so allergic to liberty that they won’t let Muslim women wear what they want; Obama, Christendom’s spymaster-in-general. What draws such freedom-fearing rulers to the ‘freedom to marry’? It’s simple: gay marriage has diddly-squat to do with freedom. Rather, this new institution, invented from pure cloth by tiny numbers of sharp-suited lawyers and agitators, is better seen as a Trojan horse for the enforcement of a new morality, one which calls into question the old virtues of lifelong commitment and familial sovereignty and replaces them with the flightiness and flexibility more commonly associated with gay relationships. ‘Gay marriage’ is the lick of paint modern society gives to its own discomfort with the traditional family set-up and its desire to dismantle, or at least dent, that set-up in favour of pushing new, post-traditional, state-defined hook-ups.”
Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 9 April 2015 4:43:05 PM
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oh Raycom you're as bad as Runner, you would have been against inter-race marriage, divorce, Women getting the vote, English mass, the whole lot.

Every step to freedom we have taken you would/do see as bad.

Christian family values are a joke, women and children are the mans possessions. The bible evens says its okay to sell your kids to slavery. The secular world you hate so much has changed your Christianity to a powerless form and mores the better for non Christians and Christian alike
Posted by Cobber the hound, Thursday, 9 April 2015 5:11:41 PM
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Raycom,

"runner has the same right to exercise his freedom of speech as you do."

Yes, he does.

He also has the responsibility (like the rest of us) to avoid jumping onto forums and serially abusing and offending his fellow posters.

"runner happens to be well informed about attacks on, and the suppression of, religious freedom, both here and internationally."

runner's well-worn argument on this forum has little to do with being "well-informed" on anything - and everything to do with a closed-minded agenda to attack anyone and anything which doesn't conform to his world view.

There is no suppression of religious freedom in this country - except perhaps the sort of suppression that the likes of runner would impose on religions other than his own - ie, Islam.

For that reason, runner's constant belligerence to people on this forum who do not share his religious outlook appears to be just something he chooses to do because that's the way he is.
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 9 April 2015 5:12:23 PM
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