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Vale Malcolm Fraser: a giant and a visionary : Comments

By Craig Laundy, published 2/4/2015

Our challenge is not to say goodbye; it is to be more magnanimous in his death than we were in his life and to acknowledge this giant, who was surely one of us.

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Yup!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 2 April 2015 11:34:26 AM
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The author throws down the gauntlet on one of the great intellectual endeavours of our Age. In his immortal words:

"Our challenge is not to say goodbye; it is to be more magnanimous in his death than we were in his life and to acknowledge this giant, who was surely one of us."

To which I respond:

I'm bigger in some places to.
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 2 April 2015 11:51:09 AM
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Jesus...give us a break....some people around and about, actually disliked this man!
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 2 April 2015 12:03:08 PM
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Give it a break Craig.

Most visionaries have it wrong, & like Fraser are too pig headed, or thick to see this, even when good people point it out.

Rather than praise him, try telling the truth. This man did more harm to more people than almost any other Australian I can think of.

If you want to praise him, please do it quietly, so as not to remind us what a disaster he was for so many.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 2 April 2015 1:36:08 PM
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I share an admiration for Fraser, the more so for his effort in writing a book in his final years attempting to shake an apathetic nation out of its opinionated self satisfaction.
Anyone read Dangerous Allies?
Posted by asho, Friday, 3 April 2015 8:08:14 PM
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Has, so many broad sweeping statements, and said with such authority!

So, lets flesh out some of those statements, if you're actually able!

Which visionaries, and where were they wrong!?

Albert Einstein, Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, the Wright brothers; or should we ape you and just apply convenient labels; and call them the Wrong brothers?

And while you're at it, where was Malcolm so wrong?

Conservative contractionary policies perhaps; when what we needed was a Leader with genuine nation building vision and the wit to bring them forward to fruition as our reality.

Much in the manner of a genuine and nation building visionary, like Socialist Lee Kwan Yu, who we honored around the same time?

Who and to be fair, has some real nation building runs on the board!

Perhaps you'd care to compare us and them, then and now?

And include size and resources, if you're able; then and now!

Always providing you're interested in airing the facts, as opposed to endless vitriol, ultra conservative hogwash, hot air and humbug!?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Saturday, 4 April 2015 1:31:20 PM
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For a totally different view of Malcolm Fraser go to ww.theindependentaustralian.com.au.
Get some actual facts about how hebehaved, onlt hinted at in some MSM
Posted by Outrider, Saturday, 4 April 2015 9:26:12 PM
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Outrider,

Thanks for that link. That was no alternative view of Malcolm Fraser, it is the common informed opinion,

http://www.theindependentaustralian.com.au/node/265

Fraser was a cynical, entitled S.O.B and he well earned those capital letters.

It is only the left-leaning media that spruiks the 'progressive' image of Fraser and the ABC leads the herd.

As most appreciate, it is all about the leftist 'Progressives' keeping up their narrative. Unnecessary because they have already won their cultural war, but maybe for socio-political legitimacy they are in need some 'heroes' of the revolution, even if the 'heroes' must be borrowed as cloaked as 'progressive'.
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 4 April 2015 10:59:01 PM
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Malcolm in the end turned out to be a good man. He should never have sacked Gough Whitlam no matter how incompetent he was. Gillard and Rudd were far worse. Abbott is not much better and Turnbull will sell us out the international banksters even more so.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 5 April 2015 6:13:43 PM
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My memories of Malcolm Fraser are somewhat mixed.

Ignoring the controversial way he came to power and while I admire and respect his stance for human rights in his later years I recall a PM who left a legacy of social division and economic chaos.

In fact Hawke rose to power on the back of a feeling of "social reconciliation" where the country had been divided into warring groups.

Economically he doubled the unemployment rate while interest rates and inflation kept rising. While Whitlam had to cope with the beginning of global inflation, Fraser had to deal (unsuccessfully) with stagflation.

People also seem to have forgotten that his own Party split and formed the Democrats as a result of his hostile and controversial style.

He was also the last true Conservative Liberal leader.

All those that have followed are aggressive fundamentalist Neo-Cons who have abandoned the traditional conservative path of gradual and determined change in favour of implementing unregulated and free market economics at any cost and are truly the slaves of corporate and religious fundamentalist interests.

As best he held to his personal beliefs and turned his back on the current party principles and displayed a significant degree of humanity.

To his credit he implemented the concept of multiculturalism as a benefit to society and not a political tool to divide it.
Posted by wobbles, Sunday, 5 April 2015 10:32:22 PM
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Hear hear wobbles!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 6 April 2015 10:12:03 AM
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There were small l moderates like Fraser but now ideological extremists rule OK:

Its not that the Abbott Government is a support system for the media empire that supports Abbott

http://www.smh.com.au/business/rupert-murdochs-us-empire-siphons-45b-from-australian-business-virtually-taxfree-20150405-1meu0l.html
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 6 April 2015 12:10:17 PM
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Fraser was in no sense “a giant” in politics.
He was a lefty, who attacked his own party, and cosied up to the greens. Sarah Hanson Young was his protégé
His mean, self centred attitude was encapsulated in his action of substituting cattle-yard fences at a sale of his cattle with non-standard fences which deceived buyers into believing the cattle were bigger. A selfish and dishonest tactic.
The world became a better place with his death, as it did when Whitlam died. Bob Brown will add to the improvement when he joins them.
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 9 April 2015 11:06:54 PM
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