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Allah the Compassionate and Merciful : Comments

By Valerie Yule, published 21/11/2014

Allah is the Compassionate, the Merciful. This description occurs everywhere, and is even shouted by the unmerciful and uncompassionate jihadis.

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“Ha ha, , “Black Magic”, you get funnier by the minute. Tell me more about the black magic in the CC as I am not aware of this?”

Ans: Trans-substantiation. Exclusive to the Church of Rome. See http://www.webtruth.org/articles/theological-issues-23/transubstantiation-49.html and especially take on board final paragraph which lists many more offences against Christianity, truth and and plain decency by this outfit. (Also note evidence that Luther wasn’t dinkum).

Expulsions of the Jews were carried out in ancient Rome. This fits Constance’s December 15 paragraph: “Bring EXPULSIONS of the past back. The Catholic [sic] Church I'm sure had warranted reasons for doing so in order to PRESERVE and PROTECT themselves in getting rid of the rubbish” seems to refer to that historical period. Constance’s so-called “rubbish” to be “got rid of” would be Jews, not Moslems.

“Do you have any solutions to the Muslim problem?” Yes. Unremitting ideological crusade against Islam focused on its murderous history and the most egregious of the Koran’s calls to the faithful. Maybe start by referring to Moslems by their name, not by the word “Muslims” adopted by Western apologists under Moslem pressure as recorded at http://hnn.us/article/524 (a bit like the ABC caving in to the murderous Rangoon generals to call Burma “Myanmar”).
Posted by EmperorJulian, Saturday, 20 December 2014 1:05:51 PM
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(addendum)

Solutions to the Moslem problem: To prevent it getting any worse, require as a condition of entry into Australia a pledge to respect and uphold the right of every individual to adopt, abandon, praise, decry, ridicule, proselytise for or against, obey or disobey, any religious cult, creed or authority. Breach of the pledge in any form including digital to result in expulsion from the country. That proclamation to be broadcast worldwide.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Saturday, 20 December 2014 1:49:22 PM
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So that's black magic?

I'm not going to get into a cat fight with you and your prejudices. It looks like the expulsions in the past were to do with preventing GREED (Usuary and its excesses) in the Church.

Puritan fundies seem unable to grasp concepts of symbolism/mysticism/transubstantiation, only harsh literal translations. This is the problem. There are parallels with the different sects within Islam, like Sufism is the only (softer) concept of Islam which embraces mysticism, and unfortunately Sufism hardly gets an airing these days in comparison to Islam's more harsh and literal fundamentalists such as Sunni, Shia, Wahabism, Salafism which unfortunately is predominant today.
Posted by Constance, Sunday, 21 December 2014 8:22:16 AM
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http://www.crisismagazine.com/2006/lepanto-1571-the-battle-that-saved-europe#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=undefined&at_ab=per-4&at_pos=0&at_tot=1

"The clash of civilizations is as old as history, and equally as old is the blindness of those who wish such clashes away; but they are the hinges, the turning points of history. In the latter half of the 16th century, Muslim war drums sounded and the mufti of the Ottoman sultan proclaimed jihad, but only the pope fully appreciated the threat. As Brandon Rogers notes in the Ignatius Press edition of G. K. Chesterton’s poem "Lepanto": Pope Pius V "understood the tremendous importance of resisting the aggressive expansion of the Turks better than any of his contemporaries appear to have. He understood that the real battle being fought was spiritual; a clash of creeds was at hand, and the stakes were the very existence of the Christian West." But then, as now, the unity of Christendom was shattered; and in the aftermath of the Protestant revolt, Islam saw its opportunity."

"But the House of War was a house divided against itself. The Habsburg Empire was Europe’s bulwark against Islamic jihad, but its timbers were being eaten away by the Protestants who diverted Catholic armies and even cheered on the Mussulmen, whom they saw as fellow enemies of the pope in Rome."

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Posted by Constance, Sunday, 21 December 2014 8:26:32 AM
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The Truth About the Spanish Inquisition:
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2003/the-truth-about-the-spanish-inquisition-2#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=undefined&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1
"This image of the Spanish Inquisition is a useful one for those who have little love for the Catholic Church. Anyone wishing to beat the Church about the head and shoulders will not tarry long before grabbing two favorite clubs: the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. I have dealt with the Crusades in a previous issue of Crisis (see “The Real History of the Crusades,” April 2002). Now on to the other club."

"n order to understand the Spanish Inquisition, which began in the late 15th century, we must look briefly at its predecessor, the medieval Inquisition. Before we do, though, it’s worth pointing out that the medieval world was not the modern world. For medieval people, religion was not something one just did at church. It was their science, their philosophy, their politics, their identity, and their hope for salvation. It was not a personal preference but an abiding and universal truth. Heresy, then, struck at the heart of that truth. It doomed the heretic, endangered those near him, and tore apart the fabric of community. Medieval Europeans were not alone in this view. It was shared by numerous cultures around the world. The modern practice of universal religious toleration is itself quite new and uniquely Western."

"Secular and ecclesiastical leaders in medieval Europe approached heresy in different ways. Roman law equated heresy with treason. Why? Because kingship was God-given, thus making heresy an inherent challenge to royal authority. Heretics divided people, causing unrest and rebellion. No Christian doubted that God would punish a community that allowed heresy to take root and spread. Kings and commoners, therefore, had good reason to find and destroy heretics wherever they found them—and they did so with gusto."

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Posted by Constance, Sunday, 21 December 2014 9:04:57 AM
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"One of the most enduring myths of the Inquisition is that it was a tool of oppression imposed on unwilling Europeans by a power-hungry Church. Nothing could be more wrong. In truth, the Inquisition brought order, justice, and compassion to combat rampant secular and popular persecutions of heretics. When the people of a village rounded up a suspected heretic and brought him before the local lord, how was he to be judged? How could an illiterate layman determine if the accused’s beliefs were heretical or not? And how were witnesses to be heard and examined?"

"Rather than relying on secular courts, local lords, or just mobs, bishops were to see to it that accused heretics in their dioceses were examined by knowledgeable churchmen using Roman laws of evidence. In other words, they were to “inquire”—thus, the term “inquisition.”"

"Rather than relying on secular courts, local lords, or just mobs, bishops were to see to it that accused heretics in their dioceses were examined by knowledgeable churchmen using Roman laws of evidence. In other words, they were to “inquire”—thus, the term “inquisition.”"

“Despite popular myth, the Church did not burn heretics. It was the secular authorities that held heresy to be a capital offense. The simple fact is that the medieval Inquisition saved uncounted thousands of innocent (and even not-so-innocent) people who would otherwise have been roasted by secular lords or mob rule.”

“Following the most progressive law codes of the day, the Church in the 13th century formed inquisitorial tribunals answerable to Rome rather than local bishops. To ensure fairness and uniformity, manuals were written for inquisitorial officials. Bernard Gui, best known today as the fanatical and evil inquisitor in The Name of the Rose, wrote a particularly influential manual. There is no reason to believe that Gui was anything like his fictional portrayal.”

“By the 14th century, the Inquisition represented the best legal practices available. Inquisition officials were university-trained specialists in law and theology. The procedures were similar to those used in secular inquisitions (we call them “inquests” today, but it’s the same word).”

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Posted by Constance, Sunday, 21 December 2014 9:07:58 AM
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