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Hamas evil must be confronted and defeated in Gaza : Comments

By David Singer, published 13/8/2014

One month of fierce fighting between Israel and Hamas has resulted in an enormous propaganda victory for Hamas as horrific pictures have appeared daily in social media and newspapers around the world.

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Not only has Israel lost the propaganda war but the objects of both sides when assessed show Hamas is likely to achieve it's objective and Israel has admitted it cannot achieve any of its objectives.

Just as was the case in Lebanon.

Negotiations are taking place to lift the Israeli illegal blockade of Gaza. That will be lifted.
That was Hamas aim and it's success on taking on Israel over this issue and succeeding lifts their status as representative of Gaza n's if not all Palestinian's. Result total victory at the cost of 2000 lives.
Israelis stated objectives were to destroy Hamas, demilitarized Gaza and destroy the tunnels. It had limited success in claiming to destroy about one third of the tunnels. Result total capitulation at the cost of a 100 Israeli lives.

So who won?

No - one until both sides adopt the philosophies of the western liberal democracies. The philosophies of forgiveness and peacefulness. And expunge from their dark age based religions the evil philosophies of revenge and violence which the extremists on both sides use as justification for continuing, advocating and rationalizing the violence.
David you fall into which catagory?
Posted by imajulianutter, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 12:04:36 PM
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Another laudable and logical article.

Not even the unfortunate name "Wiesel" a la weasel words can get in the way of the rolling thunder of truth.

With outside money flowing into Israel to sustain its Defence Force and Arab oil money flowing into Gaza to buy and build more rockets the livelihoods of the army of journalists in the region is assured.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 12:32:30 PM
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Mr. Singer, the Israelis have killed far more people in this conflict than Hamas have, so who is evil?

I don't care about religion, politics or war, but I do care about human lives, and both these warring sides should be charged with murder on a grand scale...
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 1:06:36 PM
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Isn't the Palestinian gov't stating that a ceasefire must include the lifting of the illegal (collective punishment) blockade. Surely a ceasefire must entail both sides reverting to no form of invasion/intimidation which obviously includes the blockade. Why hasn't the Israeli gov't even considered (rejected) the ceasefire conditions put forward by the Palestinian gov't.
Posted by markjohnconley, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 1:20:13 PM
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Oh here we go again.

Singer starts with “One month of fierce fighting between Israel and Hamas has resulted in an enormous propaganda victory for Hamas as horrific pictures of dead and wounded Gazan children and civilians, their destroyed homes and other buildings have appeared daily in social media and newspapers around the world.”

This is so reminiscent on Netanyahu's quip about 'telegenically' dead Palestinian children and both come from sick minds. He is trying to make the argument that because the photographs show Israel as a nation prepared to bomb along side or in UN shelters, or the homes of Hamas officials containing their families, or wholesale leveling of entire neighbourhoods then the subsequent approbation from the rest of the world is a victory for Hamas. What is bad for Israel must be good for Hamas despite having 1800 of its citizens who were alive a month ago now dead. What a contorted sense of morality.

He then speaks of “Hamas is attempting to gain continuing success in its campaign to denigrate and demonize Israel.”. My god Hamas doesn't have computer labs full of paid university students stalking social media;

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/14/israel-pay-students-propaganda_n_3755782.html

It doesn't have extensive and powerful lobbying groups hammering the Western media nor does it have a slick media production unit like the IDF. What it does do is give a relatively free reign to foreign journalists. It is their reports and images that has so vividly shown the evil wrought and so soundly denigrate and demonize Israel, and rightly so.

Next Singer trots this out;

“Hamas rejected the continuation of a 72 hour ceasefire that ended at 8.00 am on 8 August – hoping to again induce Israel into retaliating against Hamas and the myriad other terrorist groups embedded in Gaza as they continue their indiscriminate firing of more than 3300 rockets so far into Israeli population centres from rocket launchers positioned in Gazan civilian population centres.”

No Hamas rejected a ceasefire that did not include negotiations on ending the crippling and illegal blockading of these blighted people, again rightly so.

Cont...
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 3:54:47 PM
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Cont..

Then he goes on to quote Gregory Baskin, and how the Hamas charter refuses to recognise the Jewish state of Israel, but Baskin makes this very solid point; “Outright, Hamas believes Israel does not have the right to exist. It recently, however, formed a government with Fatah, the major Palestinian political group, and the newly formed Palestinian Unity Government does recognize the State of Israel.”

Finally he has the audacity to inflict on us the following quote from Elie Wiesel;

“What we are suffering through today is not a battle of Jew versus Arab or Israeli versus Palestinian. Rather, it is a battle between those who celebrate life and those who champion death. It is a battle of civilization versus barbarism.”

In 1948 Elie Wiesel ”became involved with the Irgun, translating articles from Hebrew to Yiddish for its periodicals.” In other words he was in the propaganda section of a recognised terrorist organisation responsible for the King David hotel bombings and during the time he was involved committed among other terrorist acts the Deir Yassin massacre. It “took place on April 9, 1948, when around 120 fighters from the Irgun Zevai Leumi and Lohamei Herut Israel Zionist paramilitary groups attacked Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, a Palestinian Arab village of roughly 600 people.”

“Around 107 villagers were killed during and after the battle for the village, including women and children—some were shot, while others died when hand grenades were thrown into their homes. Several villagers were taken prisoner and may have been killed after being paraded through the streets of West Jerusalem, though accounts vary.”
Wikipedia

Weisel and Singer need to tell us was this a 'battle of civilization versus barbarism' or alternatively they can spare us the hypocrisy.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 3:56:10 PM
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