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Peace not apartheid : Comments

By Bassam Dally, published 6/5/2014

While Israel has vigorously rejected the comparison with apartheid South Africa, the similarities have been noted by a great many distinguished commentators.

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Thanks for the article Mr Dally. You've indicated quite clearly that Israel is an apartheid state already, and I agree that it will take a long time to bring justice to the Palestinians, (in particular the refugees whom Zionist thugs terrorised out of their homes in the mid 1940's, and their descendants.) Also agree that BDS seems the best long term strategy to pursue.

Regarding the lack of support from leaders of the major Australian political parties: I suspect much of that is due to their trying to please or not upset powerful US politicians. WikiLeaks showed how Julia Gillard, while PM, and others of her ilk, (including leading bureaucrats) have been falling over backwards trying to appear as pro-US / pro-Zionist as possible. I'm certain that Australians as a whole are not so biased despite our shared dominance of anglo-celtic culture, judging by comments I hear and see from acquaintances and on general political comment websites.
Posted by dodger123, Thursday, 8 May 2014 3:13:30 PM
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Onya, SPQR.
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 8 May 2014 6:27:13 PM
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Already, the negativity and assumptions of several commenters in the comments section have begun to overflow, betraying the true sentiments of their expression: an organised anti-Palestinian and anti-truth thrust, based on learnt behaviour and a blind belief in Zionist propaganda.
One commenter assumes the author is just another Moslem complaining about the treatment of other Moslems: yet Bassam Dally is not a Moslem — not that that has anything to do with the truth of what he has written. Nor are all Palestinians Moslems (again, irrelevant to the argument).
Others decry the Palestinians’ method of fighting back: the Palestinians have every right to fight back against the Israeli occupation and repression of their human rights and the theft of their land and livelihood, just as the besieged Jewish freedom fighters of the Warsaw ghetto uprising had every right to fight back against the Nazis who wanted to destroy them. Self defence is the inalienable right of every repressed people in the world.
Finally, the charge that Israel is creating an apartheid state is more true now than ever before. In Nablus, a Palestinian city that is being overtaken by Jewish “settlers”, roads have been built a mere metre or so apart that are separated by a low fence or line markings, but which are designated for separate use: Palestinians are not permitted on roads that are designated for Jews only. Is that not apartheid? Former US President Jimmy Carter said that Israel has already established an apartheid regime. European diplomats have said as much, and so did Secretary of State John Kerry two or so weeks ago. If Israel persists in its occupation and bit by bit annexation of Palestinian land, the only way it can survive as a “Jewish state” will be to have apartheid: one law for the Palestinians and one for Jewish Israelis. Apartheid is not simply a black versus white issue. Apartheid is the differential treatment of two peoples, rendering one people as unequal and condemning them to an eternal subjugation.
Posted by Butinsky, Thursday, 8 May 2014 7:40:47 PM
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Yeah, Butinsky. So where are all the Jews in the Arab lands? You know, and I know, that they have been ethnically cleansed. I don't see anything wrong with the Jews doing to the Arabs, what the Arabs have doing to the Jews for 1600 years.

Prussia has always been called "the heart of Germany." It is now part of Poland because the Soviets annexed it after WW 2 and kept some of it themselves, and gave the rest to Poland. Why aren't the Germans demanding the return of "German" land? Because the Germans want peace.

Why don't the Arabs grow up and leave the Israelis alone? Because they want war. They need an enemy to redirect the hatred of their own peoples so that they will ignore the miserable condition that their stupid Islamic culture has bequeathed them. The last thing the Arab leaders want is peace with Israel.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 9 May 2014 8:16:08 PM
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Ah, Lego. So typical, where do I begin? "Where are all the Israelis in Arab lands?" They have gone to Israel, after having answered the call of the "Jewish homeland" to "return". As for any who were expelled, they were victims of Israel's own policies. Israel killed and exiled Palestinians: why would the Arab nations not send away their Jewish citizens in retribution? After all, the Jews were considered citizens of their new, exclusively Jewish State, to which they had been called (and are still being called). They want to have their cake and eat it too. Jews in the Arab and other Muslim or majority Muslim nations were treated well. No mass murders, no ethnic cleansing. They had been safe in these nations when Europe was persecuting them during successive waves of anti-Semitism. When the German Nazis and their Vichy French collaborators tried to get the king of Morocco to hand over the many Jews who had lived there since the 15th century, after having been exiled by the Catholic monarchs of Spain, he said: "There are no Jews here, only Moroccan citizens". Not a single Jew was handed over to the Nazis. To this day, the Jewish cemeteries of Morocco are lovingly and devoutly tended by Moroccan Muslims – Arabs – who lived in peace and friendship with the Jews for centuries. It is Israel that does not want peace: it wants expansion and "living space". Israel will have peace when it negotiates its borders, stops land theft and house demolitions, stops settlement expansion and negotiates in good faith.
Spare us your "victim" mentality, your historical revisionism and your denial of facts.
Posted by Butinsky, Saturday, 10 May 2014 9:49:41 AM
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By the way, Lego. I recommend that you study some history to see how the Jews over the centuries were most successful in Arab and other Muslim nations but without the pogroms they had suffered at the hands of European nations and imperial regimes. Read about how they were good at trade and even government service in the Ottoman Empire from the 14th century on, in the Maghreb in North Africa since the 1480s and in Iraq and Iran until the modern days. Most importantly, they were left unhindered and were mostly encouraged in these lands, and were not persecuted. Their talents and abilities were recognised and valued, and their religion was protected. As for your statements and exhortations that the Jews can do to their enemies in Israel what the Arabs did to them in their lands, well, that says a lot about who you are and what you believe in. It shows you do not want peace for anyone else. Pity.
Posted by Butinsky, Saturday, 10 May 2014 10:02:02 AM
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