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Kids in detention: new AHRC inquiry : Comments

By Sev Ozdowski, published 7/2/2014

In fact, following the tabling of the report, the Howard Government released the approximately one hundred children still being detained in June 2004.

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Hi there JAYB...

I'm right off topic here but, the Paris Accord was probably the official line, it was the rousing crowds of Dissenters all around the world, convinced the American Government to literally loose the strength and determination to continue the fight ? The United States itself was tearing itself apart, and if the Paris accord did anything at all, it gave the US the opportunity to exit the war without loosing too much 'face' in the process !

Militarily, the US could have won the conflict in a week, by the use of a limited nuclear response. Westmoreland, had in fact (secretly) established a protocol in order to occasion such a response. However, nobody in the White House had the 'will' to adopt such a measure, essentially because of the burgeoning dissent amassing all around the world.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 12:14:26 PM
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Deat Jay,
Thank you. Syria was great. It was good to catch up with a few friends and smoke a few pipes. Now these children, what exactly did you propose to teach them? What are Australian values?

For as it happens, my Syrian friends and I were having exactly this discussion about Australian and Western values. It seemed to us that Australia has abandoned many of its values.

For one thing the white Australia policy seems to have been altogether dropped. The traditional view that Australia's indigenous people were actually fauna has also been abandoned and they are now recognised as human beings. The love for the English motherland abandoned for the promise of US salvation. The once Christian country now largely secular. The free press supplanted by a concentration of corporate owners all singing from the same consumerist song.

Well, I know it is presumptuous, but it seems that Australia has entirely abandoned its values. At Australian universities, no one studies history or philosophy. The humanities students are only into identity politics. It is like they don't know who they are. Everyone is pretty much studying practical business courses and things. But as you know while these maybe valuable they are not values, as in principles.

The lucky country of the long weekend replaced by long 60 hour working weeks, the proliferation of casual jobs and the ever present threat of losing your job. The unions eviscerated. The entire mate ship ethos replaced with the inane pursuit of fashion labels, imported cars, McMansions. And those who can't cope with the vacuity, self medicate themselves with alcohol, prescription drugs, reality TV, celebrity and sports.

It is really all rather sad this cultural decline. If it is any consolation its happening right across the entire western world. Seems to me the karma bus has well and truly arrived.

So what did you propose to teach the children exactly?
Posted by YEBIGA, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 12:44:09 PM
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Dear YEBIGA,

I'm not sure jayofmelbourne describes himself as a white supremacist but if it walks like a duck... He has admitted to being a subscription member of Storm Front, an ardent revisionist (“There's no such thing as genocide, it's a faudulent(sic) concept invented by Jewish activists to bolster their case for extracting billions of dollars in war reparations from the WW2 Axis powers.”), and proudly asserts “It's no longer possible for you to keep ahead of "Fascism" or portray us as idiots, that era is gone, you either have to deal with us or remain silent.”

Jayb is not as ideologically driven but like other such as o sung wu, belly, individual, and banjo, he is in thrall to his fears of 'Islamic invasion' and this is the prism through which he views much of the world.

Of course the same type of fears that have historically been so efficiently exploited by fascist regimes and jayofmelbourne is not above directly singing the siren's song.
“Jayb, You'd be better off joining us "Fascists", to "fix" all those problems you list will mean WWIII and hills of bodies, we just want to close the borders and keep to ourselves.”

I suppose it is like any addiction, you know it is wrong but if the consequences, of you going just that little bit further each time, are not sinking in then you just go ahead. The payoff is that you are doing something to calm your fears. JOM is just another hustler on the street corner. Normally the other guys would have given him short shrift but being this fearful they are buying what he is selling.

So are they sincere? Yes they are. They may occasionally claim they were primarily engaging in stirring up the 'do-gooders'. This is not true.

In a way we are fortunate here because their anonymity allows us to view the depths of their fears and attempt to poke some rationale and humanity into into its dark corners.

Keep shining that light my friend.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 12:58:01 PM
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Steele,
Why would I play on people's fears of Islam in order to draw them toward "Fascism"?
Islam and Fascism/European Nationalism are compatible, what religion do you think all those Moroccan Regulares who fought for Franco followed?
If the eradication of Liberal and Socialist values and the replacement of human rights with human duties is the desired result or if the long term goal is implementation of a multi confessional theocracy then an alliance of radical Muslims and some sort of Christian Falange seems logical.
I'm not rejecting outright the label "Fascist" but it's not completely accurate, it's usually just the worst epithet that the unsophisticated Liberal can call to mind but in this day and age "Fascism" is no longer beyond the pale, in fact the goals of early 20th century Fascists have mostly been met by Liberal Democracy.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 5:04:03 PM
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I'm very sorry JAY of MELBOURNE, you've lost all chance of ever being awarded the STEELEREDUX merit badge, simply because you've dared disagree with him ! You see, in order to receive acceptance from someone who's such an entrenched narcissist, you must follow his peculiar agenda to the letter. It's only then, he may consider conferring his unique imprimatur upon you and your opinions.

Most ordinary folk may have an opinion or view which is diametrically at variance with yours. So in normal course of events a spirited discussion may ensure with one offering an opinion, the other attempting to circumvent that opinion, but generally at the conclusion of the debate, the two antagonists agree to disagree, and part on friendly terms. This process is impossible with one, that is endowed with such a massive ego. His immense arrogance prescribes that he must, at all costs, try to divest his opponent of all his self respect, and his dignity. It's only then, this individual feels sufficiently satisfied, having thoroughly defeated his adversary.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 8:05:50 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't want to be an Emperor, that's not my business. I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone if possible, Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another, human beings are like that. We all want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone and the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone.

The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way.
Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate; has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.

We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in;
machinery that gives abundance has left us in want.
Our knowledge has made us cynical,
our cleverness hard and unkind.
We think too much and feel too little.
More than machinery we need humanity,
more than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness.
Without these qualities life will be violent and all will be lost.

The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me I say: do not despair.

End Quote,

The rest can be found here;

http://luis.impa.br/chaplin.html
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 8:30:47 PM
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