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Fundamentalism: a psychological problem : Comments

By Robert Burrowes, published 14/1/2014

Fundamentalism is a widespread problem. It often manifests in a religious context - making it highly visible - but there are plenty of secular fundamentalists too.

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PETE..<<..Your response of "Our Creator has always been." introduces the concept of infinite duration, that is no beginning or end.>>

pete/LETS PRESUME..yoU RECALL..your science[energy..cant be created..Nor..DESTROYED*]..DO YOU RECALL..THAT SCIENCE FACT?

energy..always..is
AND..energy..always must be..[WILL BE..[BUT IN DIFFERENT SHAPES/MASS]

energy=mass//TIMES..the speed of lighT/TIMES..THE speed OF LIGHT..
etc..[I KNOW THAT DONt..SOUND RIGHT..but..thatS WHAT E=MC2 MEAns

<<..Hence there was no creation or need for any creator.>>

GOD IS THE GRAND/SUM TOTAL...of all E
no..creator=no E

<<..The universe and what came before the Big Bang
has simply existed forever...>>..BUT AS Different..form..of E]=mass]..but,,yes..IT MUST..have..been..BEFORE[and AS e CANT..BE..created..nor destroyed..it will aLWAYS SO BE..

just E..and we

CHEERS..now you knOW

TOO EASy?
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 6:25:31 PM
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OG,

The nub of your spurious argument is:

'GOD IS THE GRAND/SUM TOTAL...of all E'.

Prove it.

Good luck.

To get back to topic: fundamentalism is not all that uncommon. Some of us Marxists have been guilty of it, which is why the indignation of participants in SBS's program, 'Persons of Interest', makes me laugh. OF COURSE some of us were intent on, somehow, overthrowing the 'system'. OF COURSE, we hoped to raise up a Perfect New Society out of the ruins of the Reactionary Old Society, a bit like expecting that all the bits of a Boeing-737 thrown up in the air would come down assembled into a perfect Boeing-737, but a New, Revolutionary one.

But a hundred years of experience of Marxist or Bolshevik-type Socialism has shown how idiotic those dreams were, at least to some of us. With it, comes the realisation that ALL Utopias, Socialist, Salafist, ultra-Christian, BJP-Hinduist, are all inevitably fascist, each requiring the extermination - regrettably perhaps - of entire populations, of non-believers, out-groups, reactionaries, whatever.

As David notes, most self-erceptively,

'A fundamentalist clings to rigid opinions like a drowning sailor does to a life raft.'

And that ' .... they fight anyone who dares to suggest that their fundamentalism could be fundamentally wrong.'

Yes indeed, they do.

He is right that

'A fundamentalist holds to the view that what I know and think is the immutable truth. They block out other views!

'Whereas a thinking, educated person believes that the more I learn the less I know!'

I hope that for the rest of my life, I will follow David's Rule, and question dogmatic views, give room for them, but hold them up to the light of reason, evidence, reality and truth.

Thank you, David,

Joe
www.firstsources.info

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 6:46:30 PM
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Curiously, no-one has mentioned one of the more prevalent and powerful manifestations of fundamentalism in Western society today, which is Green fundamentalism, a form which refuses to recognise any alternative to its world-view and brooks no opposition to its attempts, regardless of majority public opinion or scientific evidence, to enforce its policies.

Tonyo
Posted by tonyo, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 7:22:56 PM
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Fundamentalism is a psychological problem that is indicative of people who psychologists call "absolutist personalities."

People with absolutist personalities see moral questions entirely in black and white, 50 shades of grey can not exist. Moral quandaries and moral precedence are concepts which they are unable to focus on or think about. They choose an ideology which to them answers all of life's questions, and they refuse to recognise any contradictions or faults in their belief system. They are characterised by extreme intolerance and a total disregard for any idea of at least trying to understand a non believers point of view.

They inhabit both the right and left side of politics, religions, environmentalism, and have extreme positions on racial theories, both for and against.

Interestingly, the concept of the "Absolutist personality" was discovered by a German Jew psychologist between WW1 & WW2, and he found by experiment that "absolutist personalities" are very prevalent in the German population. This discovery prompted him to pack his family up and move to the USA before Hitler even got into power.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 8:09:39 PM
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LEGO, yes those Jewish "Scientists" invented a lot of bulldust between, during and after the war didn't they?
Hitler wasn't a fundamentalist, he saw the world very much in shades of grey, he was capable of changing his mind, understanding other points of view and learning from his mistakes. Hitler wasn't a demagogue or a psychopath and the Nazis weren't reactionaries they were nihilistic revolutionaries who used terror and state power in exactly the same way as their contemporaries in the U.S.S.R.
Goebbels described Hitler's "act" in detail in his diaries describing it as a perfect composition of oratory and physical movement, giving a fiery five minute speech then turning on your heel and leaving the auditorium was a studied and rehearsed piece of theatre, not a display of fundamentalist mania like the Tatbir.
C'mon people, give "Fascism" a rest, none of you know anything much about it and it's a very poor analogue for genuine fundamentalism of the type discussed in the article. Parroting the self serving analysis of Anti Fascists and Jews is lazy and does nothing to inform or advance anyone's understanding of fundamentalism, there's no such thing as an absolutist personality, there are only varying degrees of belief and conviction.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 9:54:56 PM
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dear JOE..i tried googling..for some pictures..[BECAUSE TYPING /GETS MESSY][DUE TO A virus..]

ANYHOW....I TRIED GOOGLING..to try to show you
the amassing visions..in the heavens..[IT WAS INSPIRED TO me only a few days ago]..basically..it was a math rationalisation..of a number to the power OF TEN..

anyhow..by the power number..they wENT FROM a man..FROM ONE METER..away
out to the universe..[revealing..on THE WAY..amazing visions[they then inverted..the power of..factor..INTo minutia..from the guys face..to his eye..haiR..to a skin cell..INTO CELL ATOm..etc down to string[theory]..

please..THINK*..ONLY..but A FEW YEARS..ago..we 'SAW'..a live atom[we cant even now as yet..'see'..the photons electrons..PROTONS ETC ETC[BUT IN TIME WE WILL..see ever smaller and further MINUTIA AND GIGANTICA..

only a fundamental [CLOSE MINDED]..atheist
COULD Deny..a higher unseen cause..

clearly..all=energy..thats beyond dispute
energy..cant be created..Nor..DESTROYED..E=eternal/E=omnipresent/E=ENegy/

damm..the visions/PICTURES..refuse to be found on google
SO..lets try..words
http://www.williamjames.com/History/ENLIGHT.htm
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 6:50:14 AM
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