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Bin Laden's imprisonment from 2005 : Comments

By Peter Coates, published 20/12/2013

My contention is that from 2005 UBL was not merely hiding at Abbottabad but in most respects a prisoner, behind the high walls of the compound.

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Close... but no cigar.

Actually , Elvis , who was a Garage attendant in Abbottabad in 2005 discovered the whereabouts of UBL.

This Info he then passed on to his close buddy , Harold Holt who , naturally , gave it to the Chinese.

It was the Chinese who kept UBL imprisoned, on behalf of the Americans, until he started complaining about the standard of the Chinese Take Away that they were supplying .

That sealed the fate of UBL
Posted by Aspley, Friday, 20 December 2013 8:09:09 AM
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"All credit to the Pakistani leaders, Pakistani intelligence, President Obama, US intelligence and even President Bush, for making the six year Abbottabad Operation happen."

Peter's gushing tribute to the above mentioned people and groups doesn't go far enough. What about the postman that brought the mail each day and the man who emptied the goez-under?

What amazes me about this article is that it seems to suggest that Drone King Obama actually MIGHT have achieved a small success.

It contrasts strongly with his many failures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by David G, Friday, 20 December 2013 8:25:42 AM
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Sorry Peter but I just don’t get this article.

Where is it going? Where has it come from? What is the proposition?

There is plenty of content, lots of possibilities and many lost opportunities to come to a point. Sadly I can’t find it.
Posted by spindoc, Friday, 20 December 2013 8:40:39 AM
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The only problem with this article/proposition --apart from it being unproven--is that it feeds the hate America brigade who have long been angling to make Osama's killing another dastardly US deed.

DavidG et la haven't woken up to its implications yet, but when they get their heads together and add it their preferred hypothesis that the CIA and Israel blow-up the twin towers --WOW!

PS loved Aspley's post -good stuff!
Posted by SPQR, Friday, 20 December 2013 8:48:01 AM
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@ David G yes the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were going fine until Mr O became US Prez.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Friday, 20 December 2013 10:06:31 AM
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Hi David G

Yes intelligence successes are difficult to accept. To say that some organisations like the NSA did something right and useful is sheer sacrilege amongst the chatterati. And beside Obama's mother loved him, at birth.

@spindoc

Writing this much in the article is testing the patience of some who run things. So its apropos of much more.

@SPQR

I think a major Western-Pak intelligence success provides different messages for different political leanings. It may well frustrate "the hate America brigade" to discover that their pet hates (eg. NSA) are far more benign than some.

@Aspley

I regret to inform you, your idol, Elvis, croaked in 1977. In any case the bloke didn't speak the lingo - Arabic and Urdu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urdu :)

Cheers

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 20 December 2013 10:28:29 AM
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For most of my adult life, the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has been exposing the more nefarious deeds and lies of the US military and its enabling government.
From My Lai to Abu Ghraib he has consistently found and told the truth about some of the more earth-shattering events that occurred in both the Viet Nam and Iraq wars.
When he says that the narrative surrounding the killing of UBL in Abbottabad, Pakistan was one big lie with not a word of truth in it, my ears pricked up. That whole narrative was always just that tad too pat. Apparently he's writing a book. Can't wait.
About the Twin Towers: Someone left the gate open. Half a dozen clowns with box cutters did NOT take those towers down.
Posted by halduell, Friday, 20 December 2013 11:17:29 AM
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Hi halduell

Yes I agree Seymour Hersh has that rare mix of horizontal thinking and ability to assemble facts. He also has the credibility given to American journalists but not to those Australian journalists who think outside the square. Hersh's "The Samson Option" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_Option:_Israel%27s_Nuclear_Arsenal_and_American_Foreign_Policy is probably the best book written on the international assistance given to Israel's nuclear program.

In the case of the 6 year Abbottabad intelligence operation the "death defying" May 2011 raid on the compound by US Navy Seals provided just the right kind of patriotic theatre to make President Obama more popular. This won Obama "tough on terrorism" credits translating into votes from America's usually Republican voting conservatives (in the November 2012 election).

For the Pakistani leadership the feigned surprise and insult of the Abbottabad raid provided a nationalist, anti-American rallying point, which Pakistani politicians exploited.

So, the resultant stand-off of feigned antagonism between the US and Pakistan after May 2011 held popularist benefits for the Obama Administration and the peak Pakistani leadership.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 20 December 2013 12:22:40 PM
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Got a few live ones here...eh the moon landing was a con too guys.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Friday, 20 December 2013 2:26:29 PM
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This is a pathetic article, not so much for what it says, or more accurately speculates, but for what it doesn't say. Where has the author been hiding since 2001? Just by way of brief examples:

1. there are detailed accounts of UBL's acute renal failure (requiring regular dialysis) by 2001, at which time he was in the American Hospital in Dubai and visited by the local CIA head of station.

2. There were multiple accounts in the Asian media of his death and burial in November 2001.

3. Notwithstanding his death (or imprisonment as Coates would have it) he miraculously kept issuing videos between 2001 and 2010 (during which he grew younger and his face shape changed). some respected experts have labelled those videos manifest fakes, which raises some questions of its own.

4. There is no mention of UBL's career as a trusted agent of the US (nom de guerre Tim Osman) leading the mujihideen against the secular government of Afghanistan.

5. The official account of the Abbottabad venture is full of contradictions, inconsistencies, illogicalities and falsehoods. Shades of JFK most of the special forces soldiers involved were wiped out in a helicopter "accident" shortly afterwards.

There is much more for those actually interested in knowing what goes on, but one won't find it in this article which is little more than propaganda and should be viewed accordingly.
Posted by James O'Neill, Friday, 20 December 2013 2:41:27 PM
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In answer to your question, Paul. Perhaps the pakis protected OBL because he is a hero to the Muslim world because he mass murders infidels like you and your mother? They can't turn their Robin Hood in, can they?

Instead they keep him safe and warm in the paki version of West Point where they can keep an eye on him and where they presume the yanks will never find him.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 20 December 2013 2:52:50 PM
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@James O'Neill

Such criticism is a Xmas pressie indeed - though your insinuation that JFK shot UBL is deficient in several respects.

@Cobber the hound

Am feeling somewhat dogged by your conflicting yelps.

@LEGO

While I think a small number in US intelligence and Obama's office were kept informed of bin Laden's whereabouts (from 2001) I reckon you're on the money.

Its unfortunate that the usual "heros" of anti-Americanism come out of the conspiratorial woodwork.

Cheers

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 20 December 2013 3:17:34 PM
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Hi Pete. No such insinuation. The point I was making is that when what Peter Dale Scott called "deep events" happen in US history, and the role of UBL is certainly part of a very deep event, then key witnesses have a habit of dying soon afterward. The JFK is one of the better known examples, hence my allusion to that event. In the present case we have the special ops soldiers in the best position to give an alternative account (and one of them has) meeting an untimely demise. I would tell you that they were all together (contrary to ops procedure) in an old and poorly defended helicopter vulnerable to ground fire (which is what happened) but SPQR and his ilk would accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist or anti-American or some such other substitute for thought.
Posted by James O'Neill, Friday, 20 December 2013 4:31:46 PM
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The Bin Ladens were good friends of the Bush family. Most of the so called hi jackers came from Saudi Arabia. Now they trying to blame the whole false flag fiasco of 911 entirely on the Saudis.

So will Bush and the Saudis be the sole scape goats and all the controlled demolition be explained thus? Perhaps this will even justify and invasion of Saudi Arabia for their oil.

George Bush should watch out since they may re-incarnate Jack Ruby.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 20 December 2013 7:37:03 PM
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That whole kill-UBL scenario was such an improbable PR farce that this imprisonment conspiracy theory only adds another layer of absurdity.
Posted by Killarney, Friday, 20 December 2013 11:40:23 PM
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Hi James O'Neill

No worries mate. There is indeed much more to the UBL matter including:

- the influence and perhaps support of wealthy Saudi's particularly some in the bin Laden clan and other sympathetic Arabs via Pakistani intelligence,

- the related angle of who paid for the Abbottabad compound's construction and upkeep?

- the type of imprisonment or perhaps better described as "house arrest" UBL was under. In that regard there were some significant parallels with the house arrest of another famous Pakistani, A. Q. Khan http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-brink-of-war-unstable-pakistan-has-us-on-edge-a-732110.html . Khan's house arrest occurred under sustained US pressure.

UBL's ill health, to which you refer, might form an additional reason that UBD accepted his semi-enforced stay at Abbottabad. At this fixed and urban address he could receive constant medical support - something difficult to achieve when he was being shuttled amongst temporary safe houses.

If UBL's illness looked to be terminal he would have been more likely wanted to live out his final days in religious observance and with his large immediate family.

I agree that there are so many commentators regarding major US concerns that theories or mythologies are spawned. The ease of duplicating ideas using the internet is a help and a hindrance.

Regards

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 21 December 2013 10:14:28 AM
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Sorry Peter, your posts are usually highly credible but this, alas, is pure speculation in a near-vacuum. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence in support... I see little of that here. Only a fool wd have allowed UBL to live in Pakistan like that, given that the Pak. military cannot be trusted to be either competent or loyal. The risk of bin Laden escaping wd be unconscionable.

That said, I hope you continue to put up your posts, provocative and controversial tho they occasionally are. You write far more sense than the other thing. But nobody's perfect.
Posted by The Godless, Saturday, 21 December 2013 12:34:55 PM
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No problem Godless

By approaching the issue with curiosity "why did the US decide to rely on the Pakistani Army to form the blocking force at Tora Bora?" one can get on the track.

With such a high value target as bin Laden (just after 9/11) why didn't US military forces provide the blocking force? Basically there was US intent rather than inexplicable absence of mind.

This intent established the pattern for the ten years that bin Laden was inexplicably off the US radar.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora#Fury.27s_account

Cheers

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 21 December 2013 1:05:24 PM
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When are we going to stop believing the official BS about 911?

Zibigniew Brezezinski back in the late 1970's was priming Bin Laden known then as Tim Osman to galvanise the Mudjahadeen against the Soviets for their Vietnam demise. This is the very same person they demonised as the sole perpetrator of 911.

Brezezinski in his book 'The Grand Chess Board' said back in 1998 that they needed a new Pearl Harbour. Zibig,"What we need is a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." That threat was terrorism enabled by 911.

See the new move called 'A New Pearl Harbour' by Massimo Mazzucco.
http://www.ae911truth.org/ 2000+ Architects and Engineers do not believe the official story of 911.

3 buildings fell that day and WTC7 which was not hit by a plane, collapsed at near free fall speeds which defies the laws of physics.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 21 December 2013 5:17:31 PM
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This article born, like Lord Jesus, of divine inspiration, should not be besmirched by the base knuckle-dragging of 9/11 denialists or other dribbling doubters.

This article rises, like a Phoenix of Truth, at a shining moment in history. It should therefore be treated, like its author, with great reverence.

There, I have said my piece, and will hold on to it throughout the celebration period for this article and incidentally the birth of Lord Jesus, Christ!!

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 22 December 2013 12:44:21 PM
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Thank you Arjay, for once again supporting the pro US stance, by clearly displaying to any intelligent and impartial observer that US haters like yourself are barking mad lunatics.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 23 December 2013 5:36:40 AM
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LEGO, you just don't get it. This is not being pro US or Russia. The Neo cons ie the Military Industrial Complex as described by President Dwight Eisenhower,know no borders. This is the elite bankers and industrialists who control our Govts and the media.

The Rothschilds have a bank in every country bar North Korea, Syria and Iran. Iceland have probably kicked them out by now.

The big bankers own you and your children because they create from nothing all the money to = your toil + inflation as debt.

Would you care to debate any of these issues instead of your boring ad hominem ?
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 23 December 2013 5:02:15 PM
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Just face it people Obama was telling fibs and Obama's pre-election PR flick, Zero Dark Thirty, was largely fiction.

Or do you believe everything Obama tells you?

:)

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 6 January 2014 1:51:58 PM
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