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Integrated agreement the only way to resolve climate change : Comments

By Darcy Gilligan, published 22/11/2013

Support favouring climate action is surging across the globe. Domestic public demand for action is exceptionally high, and this has proven true in the latest talks at the current United Nations climate talks in Warsaw.

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Poirot,

Maybe what browns a lot of people off is the suspicion that Australia, with 23 million, probably produces far less CO2 than the Shanghai region.

After all, so much of China is not all that industrialised and so those areas wouldn't produce much CO2 at all, but with the industrialised areas, it would be a very different story: massive amounts. Averaging it all out gives the impression that 'China' produces less CO2 per head than 'Australia'.

Just an observation.

Cheers :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 23 November 2013 6:15:40 PM
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I think it might be time to allow the warmers to withdraw gracefully. They sport the scars of sustained conflict as a badge of honor, they fought valiantly for the cause, inflicted much damage on industrialized democracies and can now retire at a job well done.

It must be painful for them to watch the debacle in Warsaw knowing that the attendees are the last of the rear guard troops scavenging the battlefield for a few trophies, a “Tee shirt” here, a “save the planet” plastic cup there and perhaps a “Show bag” of NGO brochures. These can be stapled to their airline boarding passes and filed along with other memorabilia in an old shoebox under the heading “This was what I did before I was mature enough to separate reality from fiction”.

The Warsaw round of IPCC gabfest was hit with more bad news than all the previous events put together but attendee’s still tell us this is just a flesh wound.

Australia sent only bureaucrats with a mandate to pay nothing and agree to nothing, whilst tabling the repeal of the CO2 Tax in Parliament and announcing a review of our RET commitments. Japan pulls the pin on their RET’s, Canada publicly agrees with both, the Polish host fires its Climate Change minister and replaces him with the Minister for Fracking, the G77 “give me your money” group walks out and British PM David Cameron issues instructions to “get rid of this green crap”.

Add to this the demise of Kyoto Protocol in December 2012, the collapse of the emissions trading markets, Germany announcing 10 new coal fired power stations by 2016, three of them to burn Lignite. The 90% collapse of the RENNIX renewables industrial index, the closure of Siemens Solar with losses of Euro 1 bn, the collapse of public subsidies in renewables, the withdrawal of private equity markets from renewable projects.

Bankruptcies include Beacon Power Corp, Ener1, Evergreen Solar, Solyndra, SpectraWatt, Babcock and Brown, CHINA'S Suntech, Mountain Plaza Inc and Solar Millennium.

How would you feel if associated with this level of “success”?
Posted by spindoc, Sunday, 24 November 2013 12:23:40 PM
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Highly amusing...

Loudmouth overlooks the fact that China supplies the West with cheap goods (and props up economies with them) - so the West has a huge stake in China's CO2 emissions.

spindoc reckons that sustainability is a failure because the Neolibs have got their way and ambushed progress.

That's like saying that AGW is false because the Oz Libs got elected and people like "no-science" Greg Hunt have veracity because they source their climate science from the IPA and Wikipedia.

Joke!
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 24 November 2013 12:49:43 PM
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Poirot,

You can always take out the bit about the LNP if that offends you. Then you take another look and see if the global situation looks any better for the warmers.

If your science is so solid, can you explain how all the things I listed have gone or gone belly up?

You would have to explain how the Neolibs have ambushed each of these separate entities? Should make interesting reading.

Of course you can always resort to the rogues last refuge, blame everyone and everything else except your science. I don’t have an explanation for you but on the other hand, I’m not looking for one, you are
Posted by spindoc, Sunday, 24 November 2013 1:32:10 PM
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Poirot, my dear, it is you who is overlooking facts. Yes, China indeed supplies cheap goods to the reat of the world. That does not mean we have a "huge stake" it what they emit.

Sustainability is a failure because it is not sustainable. The sustainability industry relies upon the coal fired power and non renewables for it's products.

The AGW industry is continually shooting itself in the foot and planting said shot foot in its mouth. Our own, recently privatised, "climate commissioner", "our dams will never fill again", Flannery is a perfect example.
Posted by Sparkyq, Sunday, 24 November 2013 1:32:34 PM
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Darcy,
Can you answer the following question or find somebody who can?

Has AGW – Kyoto – IPCC - climate science, measured and assessed photosynthesis-linked warmth in ocean macro and micro algae plant matter proliferated by land use and sewage nutrient pollution?

Perhaps consider algae where ice is reported as melting more than usual:
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/june/arctic-algal-blooms-060712.html

Can algae plant matter be justifiably ignored while plant matter chewed in cud is measured in AGW science?
Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 24 November 2013 7:54:40 PM
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