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Population, resources and climate change - making connections : Comments

By Jenny Goldie, published 7/10/2013

Yet, as Professor Paul Ehrlich will note at a conference in Canberra next week, the more people there are, the more you need to expand food production.

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I'm afraid Bobby Page, no.

The anti-populationists collected less than 9,000 votes nationally in the Federal election. This is laughable. Some university political groups poll better than that.

The SPA are falsely representing themselves as an environmental group and therefore falsely claiming tax deductivity. Any one with any cerebral processes would understand the logic of that one.
Posted by Malcolm 'Paddy' King, Monday, 7 October 2013 4:27:11 PM
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The satellite temperatures prove the lie of the BOM's claims of the hottest ever year:

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/09/australias-record-hottest-12-month-period-junk-science-say-the-satellites/

A detailed analysis of BOM's methodology has been done by Australian scientist, Dr Bill Johnson:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/21/australias-average-temperature/

Bill concludes:

"1.Australia’s averaged temperature data were impacted on by climate shifts in the 1950’s, 1970’s 2002 and 2010. After deducting the impact of those natural events, no residual warming trend was evident that could be related to atmospheric CO2 levels.

2.Australia’s, ‘hot decade’ (2000-2010) was used to relentlessly market global warming by Australia’s Climate Commission; the Bureau of Meteorology; green groups and politicians in order to stir a sense of catastrophe and climate-fear. However, the fear was unfounded; the drought and associated high temperatures were a temporary aberration caused by El Niño cycles, not global warming.

3.The 2010 down-step exposed much of that decade’s climate-grooming as false and deceptive. Deceit continues under the guise of “climate change”. There is no evidence at this time that climate change and CO2 concentration in the atmosphere are related.

4.The outcome of Australia’s looming election will make no difference to the climate, or to the likelihood or impact of future climate changes. Ditching the carbon tax together with ‘direct action’ would save the Nation’s taxpayers many billions of AUD$ which would be better spent on Nation-building and improving access to services"

The promulgation of alarmism using shonky statistics by Australian and other scientific organisations which are funded by the taxpayer is nothing short of a scandal.

The useful idiots who adopt a superior tone but lack the wit to recognise their own gullibility in swallowing this garbage is merely a staple aspect of the human condition.
Posted by cohenite, Monday, 7 October 2013 4:38:15 PM
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Robert LePage - so after 25 years of grim warning about climate armageddon that's all you can point to.. a record temperature summer without condescending to say how much the record has been exceeded by. The 2.69 figure you quote is the total amount above a selected base line, not the amount of the increase over the previous hot September, so it doesn't tell us anything (its far too large to be anything else, something you should have realised). You'll find that the average for this September exceeds any previous September (back in the 1930s, probably) by a tiny amount, but you'll really have to scrape through the records to work it out. Most unimpressive.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Monday, 7 October 2013 4:40:34 PM
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Due the evolution of our economy, it has become linked with and based on population growth. While "growth" may be "good", we end up with higher and higher populations! We have populations growing, in Australia and globally, and at the same time declining natural resources, soils, fertilizers, potable water - overlayed by increasing temperatures and climate change. This inverse relationship is not sustainable, obviously. While Thomas Matheus may have been dismissed, due to increasing knowledge and technology in food production, whether it can outpace soaring demands is another thing.
We should be carefully adhering to the cautionary principle - by stablizing our population, investing in research into food and alternative energy production. and protecting our valuable food-producing land. Of course, this won't happen as long term concerns are outside the frame of reference of governments who are not responsible for time frames any further than economic growth, and the next elections.
Posted by VivienneO, Monday, 7 October 2013 5:26:06 PM
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The main driver to world population increase is Islam; what do the Ehrlich disciples plan to do about Islam?
Posted by cohenite, Monday, 7 October 2013 5:48:52 PM
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Came across this interesting website courtesy of an essay by Helen Caldicott re nuclear power and global climate change (etc) on the Age website. http://www.ieer.org/carbonfree

Meanwhile as usual my favorite Avatar had this to say about the humanly created world in the 21st century and how business as usual is not an option. http://www.dabase.org/p2anthro.htm
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 7 October 2013 7:56:01 PM
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