The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > Article Comments > Climate effects will knock on > Comments

Climate effects will knock on : Comments

By Kellie Tranter, published 1/10/2013

Australia should be paying close attention to the estimated trajectory of likely warming and its impact on both Australia and our Asian neighbours.

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. Page 2
  4. 3
  5. 4
  6. 5
  7. ...
  8. 11
  9. 12
  10. 13
  11. All
"The deniers will never win with this debate."

The skeptics have already won. The fact is that even the IPCC admits that the globe has not been warming for the last 15 years, while emissions have continued at unprecedented levels. This means and ALL the IPPC's predictions, and ALL the mainstream "scientists" predictions, are wrong.

Note that nothing Kellie, Robert or Chris says actually joins issue on the facts, or shows any evidence or reason? They just assume it and refer off to someone else.

Well guess what? If you follow the line of references, the rest of the global warming hierarchy are just doing the same, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP. That's herding instinct, not science.

You've lost. All there is left is the government funding, completely uninterested in the truth for reasons Kellie has just shown - they just want to get their hands on other people's money.

Obviously if you don't care about the truth, you could waste another $79 billion, have no data or reason to back up your claims, and still persist in making them.

The ratio of Big Government funding to Big Oil funding is 3500:1, so who's the idiot now Robert?

In the final analysis, the skeptical criticism of the warmists is that science cannot be based on logical fallacies, assuming what's in issue, bodging up and hiding data, and open-ended belief in authority despite absence of supporting data.

But the warmist criticism of skeptics is only that the skeptics don't believe what the warmists believe!

In what other area of science is a request for data met with "denialist!" and "idiot!"?

Got that peer-reviewed paper proving catastrophic anthropogenic global warming there yet fellahs?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 10:24:53 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
All comments above may lead to AGW sin.

Scientists estimate that if all countries halve their greenhouse gas use now - in 200 years beneficial results may start to appear. All quite simple really.

Australia should stop greenhouse gas increases now. All we need to do is stop economic growth by the simple expedients of a one-child policy, banning all immigration and banning coal mining.

As AGW is a moral issue all deniers should confess their sinful thoughts. Burning of sinners is still a cure in some countries.

If Australia leads the way all countries will follow - especially China and India.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 11:17:25 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
This might have had more currency, if it wasn't a trogan horse, to support Manning or Assange!
Nor is one persuaded that any democracy is trying to criminalize dissent.
We have plenty of avenues, like this site, to legitimately voice our dissent.
Moreover, one can't criminalize behavior that is already criminal!
Like stealing and distributing state or private secrets.
If what Assange did was somehow legal, then all the hacking by fleet street journals, virtually the same thing, was also legal!
And a shame really, given the veracity of your comment on climate Kellie!
One notes that this has been the hottest year on record, that we have just lived through the hottest September ever, up 4C on average, and a full 2C above any former recorded record!
And that the trend line on the ambient temperature graph, is still up! There are none so blind!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 11:23:20 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Overall, the insurance industry estimates that 2012 was the second costliest year in U.S. history for climate-related disasters, with more than $139 billion in damages. But private insurers themselves only covered about 25 percent of these costs ($33 billion), leaving the federal government and its public insurance enterprises to pay for the majority of the remaining claims.

In fact, the U.S. government paid more than three times as much as private insurers paid for climate-related disasters in 2012.

http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/taxpayer-climate-costs.asp
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 11:37:51 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Misinformation doesn't assist the debate! Nor does almost endlessly repeating it!
Algae doesn't retain warmth, but simply reacts to it! And indeed, increased carbon in the water.
Natural convection allows the cooler water to sink, and the warmer stuff to rise.
In this process there is always some resulting mixing, which invariably accelerates, with any increased convection!
Ocean acidification has literally doubled in the last sixteen years.
Algae may well be the very thing we need to reduce dangerous Co2 levels, as a matter of increasing urgency, while this is still time. One notes, we have already seen unprecedented tundra melting! And the subsequent release of millions of tons of methane; one unit of methane worth 21 units of carbon, as a greenhouse gas.
Algae absorb 2.5 times their body-weight in Co2 emission. And under optimized conditions, grow to literally double that body-weight and absorption capacity every 24 hours!
Some algae are up to 60% oil, with some types producing virtually ready to use diesel or jet fuel. (Child's play to extract!)
I've read some estimates, which conclude, economies of production scale, could allow producers to market algae sourced fuel, for as little as 44 cents a litre!
And yes, that is with a fuel excise also imposed!
Very low water use algae production, may be the very thing we need, to not just save the Murray, but have the region prosper as never ever before!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 11:45:40 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
*Burning of sinners is still a cure in some countries.*

But only if we could use the waste heat to generate power
Posted by Robert LePage, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 12:38:07 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. Page 2
  4. 3
  5. 4
  6. 5
  7. ...
  8. 11
  9. 12
  10. 13
  11. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy