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Another 'True Believers' election? : Comments

By Jo Coghlan, published 4/9/2013

It's been 20 years since Keating won the 'sweetest victory of all'. Can Rudd top that?

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Jo,

For there to be a "true believers" victory, there has to be true believers. There are many differences between Rudd's campaign and that of Keating.

The first is values. Labor under both Rudd and Gillard have flip flopped over nearly ever single policy, in addition they have promised much and delivered very little or the exact opposite of what they promised.

The second point is about personalities. Rudd has a nasty streak, and was not able to hold it in. While he was a back bencher he was popular, now he is in the public eye, people remember why they disliked him the first time. His crooked attempt to use phoney figures to discredit TA was shot down in flames by the Treasury and left him with no credibility on the issue.

The final point, is that Abbott is shrewd enough to learn from the past where Hewson in great detail laid out all his plans more than a year ahead of the election enabling Keating to cherry pick the good policies and run the mother of all scare campaigns on the rest. Abbott while holding the flame to Labor has kept most of his cards hidden until Labor has played theirs. Kevin's blunder has now given him a justification for doing so.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:16:18 PM
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Talk about wishful thinking. But Jo goes past mere wishful thinking, into the realm of self delusion. Delusion is not good, but self delusion gets to be dangerous. Once you get to that stage, you can talk yourself into believing almost anything.

What really worries me is that someone so inclined should be in a position to fill the minds of kids with this stuff.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:59:51 PM
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@Jardine K. Jardine
I have no trouble in agreeing with your utopian theory about how we need to get over being led by different groups of self-styled leaders with agendas of their own, agendas all too often hatched in those smoke-filled back rooms (are they still smoke-filled or is tobacco banned back there now as well?). But that just isn't how the game is played today. Nor is it how the game will be played tomorrow. Maybe someday in the future we can have a better system, but for now representative democracy seems to be the best option available.
Therefore, Australia needs an effective opposition to whichever group currently holds office to ensure that the office holders remain representative and govern for all of us. Hence I repeat my hopes that the ALP can clean out their stables and get back to being the great political party they once were.
Posted by halduell, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:30:06 PM
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Keatinge didn't win, sense was outnumbered that's all.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 8:46:17 PM
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Tony Abbott isn't going to win the election: he is just going to be the beneficiary of a landslide of votes against Kevin Rudd.
Posted by Candide, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 11:49:19 PM
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Here you go, folks.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/04/tony-abbott-daughters-big-brother

This particular Messiah gets his jollies from draping himself between his daughters and saying "“If you want to know who to vote for, I'm the guy with the not bad looking daughters"

Well, I suppose if you're lacking in substance, it's as good a strategy as any.....
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:32:28 AM
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